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<blockquote data-quote="Morgenstern" data-source="post: 1116111" data-attributes="member: 5485"><p>Ok, right off, I willfully skirt around the debates on the best round in the .40 S&W/9mmP/.45 ACP range. Those things have a tendency to break down into the same sort of squabbling reserved for not-so-polite religeous debate, with litterally dozens of different systems for calculating "damage" being put forward. Given that I needed a system that somewhat reliably converted available data to a number of vitality or wound points (not cavity size or jell displacement <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ) we used one that examines muzzle velocity and bullet weight, runs it through a conversion formula, and spits out a damage code <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />. Since all of the firearms in the book have damage codes from one conversion system and most of them seem to be basically workable, the fact that a .40 S&W produces slightly lower muzzle energy than a 9mm gave it a damage code with an equal average damage, but a narrower range. The .45 is on the other side with the same average and a wider range. To match this to real world experience, both the .40 and the .45 have the takedown quality (yes, I know you groan about this further down). So a .40 user is going to find that he does the same damage as a 9 over time, but the TD gives him significantly more stopping power. MAG does treat the .40 as the better round.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, the ban caused a lot of weapons to have a US-limited ammo number rather than the actual capacity of the weapon. Naturally super-spies are folks who tend to ignore such things as local gun law in the pursuit of their duties, so we'd have preffered to have the real number <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />. We've been trying to track those down. I'll be happy to add the HK UPS to the list to be corrected. Should be reflected in the Latest Word sticky on our forums where I collect misc. errata and rulings in between major updates to the master document in about 10 minutes.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hmm. Have to double check that. Have a link to the manufacturer's site?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So how is that different from any FMJ bullet, and what's the big hooplah over them then?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Vitality isn't strictly a dodge, as there are poison delivering weapons that don't require damage to wounds to work. In this case the idea was you've got one of these little buggers in you and it continues to make a bit of a mess.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>*chuckle* Well, I had to work with the descriptions given to me. I'll see if I can't tweak these to be a bit more in line with the intended functionality. So, has anyone done a study on what happens when you shoot someone with one? I think they got an accuracy bonus since they were principly used in target shooting...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Maybe you have the Perfect Stance feat <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />. Most people take a moment to stand properly (brace action), which gives a big bonus to resisting recoil.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There is a bit of errata to that causing it to be less effective if it only inflicts damage to vitality. It was knocking people over a bit too often as originally written <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />. And yes it's there for cinematic purposes, along with giving a distinct difference to some of the heavier rounds.</p><p></p><p>If you go to <a href="http://www.spycraftRPG.com" target="_blank">www.spycraftRPG.com</a> you can get to our forums, and in there is a permanent anouncement for the master errata document. A few changes there may help bring the book more in line with your expectations. We are working to make it the best firearms gide that we can <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Morgenstern, post: 1116111, member: 5485"] Ok, right off, I willfully skirt around the debates on the best round in the .40 S&W/9mmP/.45 ACP range. Those things have a tendency to break down into the same sort of squabbling reserved for not-so-polite religeous debate, with litterally dozens of different systems for calculating "damage" being put forward. Given that I needed a system that somewhat reliably converted available data to a number of vitality or wound points (not cavity size or jell displacement :) ) we used one that examines muzzle velocity and bullet weight, runs it through a conversion formula, and spits out a damage code :). Since all of the firearms in the book have damage codes from one conversion system and most of them seem to be basically workable, the fact that a .40 S&W produces slightly lower muzzle energy than a 9mm gave it a damage code with an equal average damage, but a narrower range. The .45 is on the other side with the same average and a wider range. To match this to real world experience, both the .40 and the .45 have the takedown quality (yes, I know you groan about this further down). So a .40 user is going to find that he does the same damage as a 9 over time, but the TD gives him significantly more stopping power. MAG does treat the .40 as the better round. Yeah, the ban caused a lot of weapons to have a US-limited ammo number rather than the actual capacity of the weapon. Naturally super-spies are folks who tend to ignore such things as local gun law in the pursuit of their duties, so we'd have preffered to have the real number :(. We've been trying to track those down. I'll be happy to add the HK UPS to the list to be corrected. Should be reflected in the Latest Word sticky on our forums where I collect misc. errata and rulings in between major updates to the master document in about 10 minutes. Hmm. Have to double check that. Have a link to the manufacturer's site? So how is that different from any FMJ bullet, and what's the big hooplah over them then? Vitality isn't strictly a dodge, as there are poison delivering weapons that don't require damage to wounds to work. In this case the idea was you've got one of these little buggers in you and it continues to make a bit of a mess. *chuckle* Well, I had to work with the descriptions given to me. I'll see if I can't tweak these to be a bit more in line with the intended functionality. So, has anyone done a study on what happens when you shoot someone with one? I think they got an accuracy bonus since they were principly used in target shooting... Maybe you have the Perfect Stance feat :). Most people take a moment to stand properly (brace action), which gives a big bonus to resisting recoil. There is a bit of errata to that causing it to be less effective if it only inflicts damage to vitality. It was knocking people over a bit too often as originally written :). And yes it's there for cinematic purposes, along with giving a distinct difference to some of the heavier rounds. If you go to [url]www.spycraftRPG.com[/url] you can get to our forums, and in there is a permanent anouncement for the master errata document. A few changes there may help bring the book more in line with your expectations. We are working to make it the best firearms gide that we can :). [/QUOTE]
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