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Mirror Gish? (Echo Knight/Bladesinger)
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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8399829" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>With a 16 con and bladesong and warcaster for I think you will be fine on Concentration saves without proficiency.</p><p></p><p>You won't have proficiency for other constitution saves against things like poision or green dragon breath, but I think wisdom saves to avoid charms and frightened and such is a bigger concern once you have the concentration handled, but it would still be totally playable with fighter first.</p><p></p><p>As far as warcaster vs tough - I think warcaster both gives you the bonus on concentration saves and allows for AOs from the echo to be </p><p></p><p>I think the progression you had originally posted is better. Start as Wizard 1 for wisdom then do fighter 1 to get the weapons and bonus action heal then the rest like you said originally or if you prefer the 4 hit points and constitution start as F1 and then do wizard to 6. </p><p></p><p>In either cast though I would go straight to Wizard 6 after only 1 level in Fighter. Bladesinger extra attack is the best part of the subclass, so I would not want to wait more than one level to get that online. </p><p></p><p>So: F1 or W1>W1 or F1>W6>F4>W11</p><p></p><p>For fighting style the obvious one is dueling, but you could also look at superior technique and goading attack. If you made an attack through your echo, now the guy you attacked has disadvantage unless he moves across the battlefield to where you are. It would only work once per short rest but it would be a nice add on in the right situation.</p><p></p><p>As far as feats, sentinel works, especially with warcaster. I assume it would work if you made an AO with the echo knight too, meaning you could pin an enemy by your echo. As for the +1 Dex, are you starting with a 17 or an 18? If you are starting with an 18 it does not matter. If you are starting with 17, I would probably try to raise that with a half feat or ASI instead of Sentinel and I would probably do it at F4 instead of taking Lucky. There are not a lot of great dexterity feats. Piercer is good and probably the best in combat. Skill expert is good too. You could also look at resilient dex or take an ASI +1 in dex and wisdom to boost both of those saves.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8399829, member: 7030563"] With a 16 con and bladesong and warcaster for I think you will be fine on Concentration saves without proficiency. You won't have proficiency for other constitution saves against things like poision or green dragon breath, but I think wisdom saves to avoid charms and frightened and such is a bigger concern once you have the concentration handled, but it would still be totally playable with fighter first. As far as warcaster vs tough - I think warcaster both gives you the bonus on concentration saves and allows for AOs from the echo to be I think the progression you had originally posted is better. Start as Wizard 1 for wisdom then do fighter 1 to get the weapons and bonus action heal then the rest like you said originally or if you prefer the 4 hit points and constitution start as F1 and then do wizard to 6. In either cast though I would go straight to Wizard 6 after only 1 level in Fighter. Bladesinger extra attack is the best part of the subclass, so I would not want to wait more than one level to get that online. So: F1 or W1>W1 or F1>W6>F4>W11 For fighting style the obvious one is dueling, but you could also look at superior technique and goading attack. If you made an attack through your echo, now the guy you attacked has disadvantage unless he moves across the battlefield to where you are. It would only work once per short rest but it would be a nice add on in the right situation. As far as feats, sentinel works, especially with warcaster. I assume it would work if you made an AO with the echo knight too, meaning you could pin an enemy by your echo. As for the +1 Dex, are you starting with a 17 or an 18? If you are starting with an 18 it does not matter. If you are starting with 17, I would probably try to raise that with a half feat or ASI instead of Sentinel and I would probably do it at F4 instead of taking Lucky. There are not a lot of great dexterity feats. Piercer is good and probably the best in combat. Skill expert is good too. You could also look at resilient dex or take an ASI +1 in dex and wisdom to boost both of those saves. [/QUOTE]
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