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<blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 2334683" data-attributes="member: 141">You are not using complete sentences, and I don't know exactly what you mean by some of your fragments.&nbsp; What does &quot;No fizzle, valid target&quot; mean?&nbsp; Surely you can't specify your target as &quot;the caster of the Mirror Image&quot; can you?&nbsp; Otherwise you might as well cast a &quot;flesh to stone&quot; at a line-up of murder suspects and say &quot;I target the murderer.&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; Murder case solved!If you could name the caster as the target of the spell you would run afoul of the wording of Mirror Image:If you have to select among the indistinguishable targets, you can't just say &quot;the real spellcaster&quot; is your target.&nbsp; And if you choose an invalid target, the spell fizzles.&nbsp; However, the word &quot;generally&quot; makes it ambiguous.&nbsp; If this is not one of the general cases, then maybe you can specify the real spellcaster.&nbsp; The wording of the magic missile spell says that a MM is enerring, supporting your interpretation, but I think this refers to the ability to ignore cover and anything less than total concealment, not to ignoring the presence of indistinguishable targets.So each spell potentially trumps the other, but both are slightly ambiguous.&nbsp; In ruling on an ambiguity, I would favor the defensive spell over the offensive spell.&nbsp; The same way a mind blank trumps effects that might overcome it.&nbsp; I would be heartened by the fact that a reading which favors magic missile would seem to depend on being able to target someone based on indetectable characteristics (being the real caster), which I think would be a mistake to allow.[edit]Oh, and I think if you fired magic missiles at various targets, only the ones that were aimed at images would fizzle.&nbsp; I know of no reason to think that a multi-target spell would fizzle if one of its targets was invalid.&nbsp; After all, you can cast a 1 person/level spell even if you don't have enough people?&nbsp; And surely a non-existent person is an invalid target?[/edit]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cheiromancer, post: 2334683, member: 141"] You are not using complete sentences, and I don't know exactly what you mean by some of your fragments. What does "No fizzle, valid target" mean? Surely you can't specify your target as "the caster of the Mirror Image" can you? Otherwise you might as well cast a "flesh to stone" at a line-up of murder suspects and say "I target the murderer." Murder case solved! If you could name the caster as the target of the spell you would run afoul of the wording of Mirror Image: If you have to select among the indistinguishable targets, you can't just say "the real spellcaster" is your target. And if you choose an invalid target, the spell fizzles. However, the word "generally" makes it ambiguous. If this is not one of the general cases, then maybe you can specify the real spellcaster. The wording of the magic missile spell says that a MM is enerring, supporting your interpretation, but I think this refers to the ability to ignore cover and anything less than total concealment, not to ignoring the presence of indistinguishable targets. So each spell potentially trumps the other, but both are slightly ambiguous. In ruling on an ambiguity, I would favor the defensive spell over the offensive spell. The same way a mind blank trumps effects that might overcome it. I would be heartened by the fact that a reading which favors magic missile would seem to depend on being able to target someone based on indetectable characteristics (being the real caster), which I think would be a mistake to allow. [edit]Oh, and I think if you fired magic missiles at various targets, only the ones that were aimed at images would fizzle. I know of no reason to think that a multi-target spell would fizzle if one of its targets was invalid. After all, you can cast a 1 person/level spell even if you don't have enough people? And surely a non-existent person is an invalid target?[/edit] [/QUOTE]

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