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Message: <blockquote data-quote="azhrei_fje" data-source="post: 2341918" data-attributes="member: 12966">Sheesh. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!    :eek:"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" />  I specifically said I was ignoring the targeting issue for the first part of this discussion.  If we assume that you could target an image, do you agree that the image doesn't take damage and therefore won't disappear?Assuming you do, let's look at the MM target.  It says "creatures" in the description.  However, since inanimate objects cannot be damaged by the spell, why does the Target entry say that?  Why not let the caster target anything he wants, then say that creatures are affected (take damage) and inanimate objects do not?Oops, what do you know.  That's what it says! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" />  As I pointed out, perhaps the use of the word "target" as a noun is being confused with "target" as a verb (such as, "I target the bull's eye with my arrow").  You can target a dog with charm person, but the spell won't affect the dog.  Does this mean that you CAN NOT target the animal?  No!  You can target anything you want, but the spell will only be effective against the type of targets given in the spell description.  Anything else is a no-op.  (Sorry.  Programming term that means an empty instruction. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" />)Yep.  A successful attack does do damage.  Can you give a single example of one that doesn't?  And if you read the text of the invisibility spell, it saysNote that invisibility doesn't say "successful attack", just "attack".  Don't you see this as significant?  I certainly do...(Heh-heh, everyone here always reserves the right to change their mind!  I know I certainly have by reading threads here on ENworld!)Charm person is not an attack.  However, it requires that you choose an intended recipient of the spell effect (I'm trying to stay away from the term "target" since it seems to be confusing the issue).  That choice will be based on what the caster sees and they may choose an image instead of the actual creature because of it.  (As DM, I would roll a random chance for image vs. protected creature, just as described by the MI spell.)Unless specifically stated in the spell descriptions, spells do not terminate on the death of the spellcaster nor on the death of the affected creature(s).  Of course, spells that the caster has to concentrate on will fade if the caster dies.  But levitate your buddy into the air and then die, and your buddy is trapped until the spell expires.  So I would rule that the CdG rule assumes that the target (er, "recipient of the intended action" <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" />) is not protected.  Since the MI spell is still in effect, the DM still rolls randomly and a single image per round would be destroyed.  If the attackers knows about MI (and how would they not?) it would be much more efficient for them to go around kicking downed images!  I would rule that you can kick while walking, so you could cover a lot of ground in 6 seconds, destroying images.  Of course, the one which is not an image is likely to require a Balance Check (DC 10) because the PC won't be expecting it to be solid!  (Unless there's only one left.  Then I wouldn't require the check.)</blockquote>

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