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<blockquote data-quote="azhrei_fje" data-source="post: 2344932" data-attributes="member: 12966"><p>Sorry, I guess your posting crossed in the bitstream with mine. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> I have caught up on all messages up to #115.</p><p></p><p><em>Emphasis mine</em>. Note that a successful attack deals damage. I won't cover ground that's already been covered; review previous posts, if you're interested. Notice that "damage" is very specifically defined, as well.</p><p></p><p>As I mentioned, these don't count.</p><p>The issue here (emphasis is, again, mine) is that the MI spell specifically says <strong><em>successful attacks</em></strong>, which narrows the definition given above. So for a normal spell, I would agree that <em>charm person</em> would be an attack (assuming it was cast on a recipient that it could affect). A successful attack would mean that the recipient failed their saving throw.</p><p></p><p>Casting <em>charm person</em> would destroy an image (if we somehow allow the spell to affect an image in the first place!) because while it doesn't do damage, if the recipient failed their saving throw, it would have to be considered a <strong><em>successful attack</em></strong> for the purposes of the MI spell.</p><p></p><p>I apologize that I didn't have the time to look up these quote previously. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /></p><p></p><p>Btw, someone mentioned that images appear damaged because the spellcaster appears damaged, if they get caught in a <em>fireball</em>, for example. But that's not what the spell says:</p><p>Note that it says, <strong>looking like they are burned after being hit</strong>. There's a missing pronoun from the end of the phrase, but the clear intention (for me anyway!) is that the "being hit" refers to the image, not to the protected creature.</p><p></p><p>However, I agree with the posts in the 100-115 range, and I will drop this topic. I know how I'm going to rule IMC and that's all that really matters, isn't it? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> The last thing I want to do is p*ss people off so that they won't have these discussions with me in the future! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="azhrei_fje, post: 2344932, member: 12966"] Sorry, I guess your posting crossed in the bitstream with mine. :( I have caught up on all messages up to #115. [i]Emphasis mine[/i]. Note that a successful attack deals damage. I won't cover ground that's already been covered; review previous posts, if you're interested. Notice that "damage" is very specifically defined, as well. As I mentioned, these don't count. The issue here (emphasis is, again, mine) is that the MI spell specifically says [b][i]successful attacks[/i][/b], which narrows the definition given above. So for a normal spell, I would agree that [i]charm person[/i] would be an attack (assuming it was cast on a recipient that it could affect). A successful attack would mean that the recipient failed their saving throw. Casting [i]charm person[/i] would destroy an image (if we somehow allow the spell to affect an image in the first place!) because while it doesn't do damage, if the recipient failed their saving throw, it would have to be considered a [b][i]successful attack[/i][/b] for the purposes of the MI spell. I apologize that I didn't have the time to look up these quote previously. :( Btw, someone mentioned that images appear damaged because the spellcaster appears damaged, if they get caught in a [i]fireball[/i], for example. But that's not what the spell says: Note that it says, [b]looking like they are burned after being hit[/b]. There's a missing pronoun from the end of the phrase, but the clear intention (for me anyway!) is that the "being hit" refers to the image, not to the protected creature. However, I agree with the posts in the 100-115 range, and I will drop this topic. I know how I'm going to rule IMC and that's all that really matters, isn't it? :D The last thing I want to do is p*ss people off so that they won't have these discussions with me in the future! ;) [/QUOTE]
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