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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 2344975" data-attributes="member: 19675">RE: my list of non-damaging attacks:Where did you mention this?&nbsp; I can't find it.And more to the point- why not?&nbsp; They ARE attacks. They don't do damage.&nbsp; Some of them give you the option of doing damage or not doing damage.&nbsp; They obviously qualify as counterexamples to your proposition that a successful attack must do damage.Lets assume you mean that you're looking for attacks that do damage normally.&nbsp; Fine.An attack that hits and has its damage reduced to 0 on the target has still done damage- it was just nullified.A Mirror Image, as a figment, has no HP.&nbsp; It can't be dispelled when the caster falls 10 feet and takes a couple of points of damage, it can't dispell itself by seeming to stub its toe or twist its ankle.&nbsp; It is dispelled when it is targeted and seemingly successfully &quot;struck&quot; by an attack.Lets say you had a caster who had DR whatever/ silver and had MI up.&nbsp; Would strikes with a wooden club dispel a Mirror Image?&nbsp; I'm pretty sure it would, even though it couldn't possibly damage the original.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 2344975, member: 19675"] RE: my list of non-damaging attacks: Where did you mention this? I can't find it. And more to the point- why not? They ARE attacks. They don't do damage. Some of them give you the option of doing damage or not doing damage. They obviously qualify as counterexamples to your proposition that a successful attack must do damage. Lets assume you mean that you're looking for attacks that do damage normally. Fine. An attack that hits and has its damage reduced to 0 on the target has still done damage- it was just nullified. A Mirror Image, as a figment, has no HP. It can't be dispelled when the caster falls 10 feet and takes a couple of points of damage, it can't dispell itself by seeming to stub its toe or twist its ankle. It is dispelled when it is targeted and seemingly successfully "struck" by an attack. Lets say you had a caster who had DR whatever/ silver and had MI up. Would strikes with a wooden club dispel a Mirror Image? I'm pretty sure it would, even though it couldn't possibly damage the original. [/QUOTE]

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