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<blockquote data-quote="Malcer" data-source="post: 1497339" data-attributes="member: 11357"><p>It appears to be kind of overpowered for the Mirror Image spell, especially since Displacement, a 3rd level spell, has a sentence that clarifies that unlike with total concealment, targetted spells do not suffer a miss chance.</p><p></p><p>Mirror Image and Displacement do not exactly compare if you consider their specific effects; though both surely serve a very similar purpose.</p><p>But if we compare similar spells of those lower levels like Blur, Invisibility, Displacement, and Blink, we always have a very simillar mechanism that roughly follows the rules for concealment. Mirror Image stands out among those spells making it an odd case indeed.</p><p></p><p>In one of our games, I used the True Strike in combination with a Disintegration spells to great effect because the 3.5 version of True Strike has the nice addition of ignoring miss chances due to concealment. Again, this feature is not really compatible with Mirror Image, because it is nowhere said that there is any kind of concealment involved.</p><p> </p><p>Though the rules do not support that True Strike can overcome Mirror Image, they should.</p><p></p><p>1. I just wonder if any of you actually used and exploited the fact that you apparently can dispel specific spell effects in your campaigns. </p><p>Failing the save against a Dominate Person spell always meant that the party member in question was in for a very thorough debuffing of all his defensive spells because targetting him with a dispel magic meant that those spells went as well. </p><p>It seems that dispel magic can be wielded like a knife. You could aim to strip an enemy spell caster of crucial defense spells like Stoneskin or even Resist Energy. Even Spell Turning can be removed without the chance that the dispelling spell bounces back. Do you use that in your campaigns?</p><p></p><p>A friend of mine is convinced that you cannot target any spells if the description does not say so. (Examples for that are Globe and Minor Globe of Invulnerability, the Bigby spells, and Mordenkainen's Sword). I do not nescessarily agree, but interpretation of rules are decided by consensus at our table. My friend argues that the only way to get rid of area spells like Fire Wall or Blade Barrier is to use an Area Dispel.</p><p></p><p>2. On the question whether Mirror Image can be dispelled by a targetted dispel or an area dispel, I think that the description is ambiguous. It is said under Range that the spell is personal, which suggest that you need to target in order to dispel. Well actually it says under Range: Personal, see text, and the description seems to suggest to me that images that the spell generates are seperate from the caster, which leds me to believe that they should be considered an area effect. I think there are only three options:</p><p></p><p>1. Mirror Image is a Personal spell </p><p>2. Mirror Image is an Area effect</p><p>3. Mirror Image is a Personal spell and an Area effect</p><p></p><p>I'd like to add that I overlooked that Mirror Image says Target: You as well, which could easilier refute my whole argument, but I stand by my interpretation if only the description is taken into account.</p><p></p><p>How do you deal with this in your campaigns if at all <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile :-)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" /></p><p></p><p>Thank you for your thoghts!</p><p></p><p>-Malcer</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Malcer, post: 1497339, member: 11357"] It appears to be kind of overpowered for the Mirror Image spell, especially since Displacement, a 3rd level spell, has a sentence that clarifies that unlike with total concealment, targetted spells do not suffer a miss chance. Mirror Image and Displacement do not exactly compare if you consider their specific effects; though both surely serve a very similar purpose. But if we compare similar spells of those lower levels like Blur, Invisibility, Displacement, and Blink, we always have a very simillar mechanism that roughly follows the rules for concealment. Mirror Image stands out among those spells making it an odd case indeed. In one of our games, I used the True Strike in combination with a Disintegration spells to great effect because the 3.5 version of True Strike has the nice addition of ignoring miss chances due to concealment. Again, this feature is not really compatible with Mirror Image, because it is nowhere said that there is any kind of concealment involved. Though the rules do not support that True Strike can overcome Mirror Image, they should. 1. I just wonder if any of you actually used and exploited the fact that you apparently can dispel specific spell effects in your campaigns. Failing the save against a Dominate Person spell always meant that the party member in question was in for a very thorough debuffing of all his defensive spells because targetting him with a dispel magic meant that those spells went as well. It seems that dispel magic can be wielded like a knife. You could aim to strip an enemy spell caster of crucial defense spells like Stoneskin or even Resist Energy. Even Spell Turning can be removed without the chance that the dispelling spell bounces back. Do you use that in your campaigns? A friend of mine is convinced that you cannot target any spells if the description does not say so. (Examples for that are Globe and Minor Globe of Invulnerability, the Bigby spells, and Mordenkainen's Sword). I do not nescessarily agree, but interpretation of rules are decided by consensus at our table. My friend argues that the only way to get rid of area spells like Fire Wall or Blade Barrier is to use an Area Dispel. 2. On the question whether Mirror Image can be dispelled by a targetted dispel or an area dispel, I think that the description is ambiguous. It is said under Range that the spell is personal, which suggest that you need to target in order to dispel. Well actually it says under Range: Personal, see text, and the description seems to suggest to me that images that the spell generates are seperate from the caster, which leds me to believe that they should be considered an area effect. I think there are only three options: 1. Mirror Image is a Personal spell 2. Mirror Image is an Area effect 3. Mirror Image is a Personal spell and an Area effect I'd like to add that I overlooked that Mirror Image says Target: You as well, which could easilier refute my whole argument, but I stand by my interpretation if only the description is taken into account. How do you deal with this in your campaigns if at all :-) Thank you for your thoghts! -Malcer [/QUOTE]
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