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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 1249595" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>If you close your eyes, you <em>are</em> suffering a Miss Chance due to Concealment, and Blind-Fight helps. Especially since the Blind-Fight feat description says nothing about the feat not working in an area of magical Silence, for example - the fact that you can't distinguish the figments by sound makes no difference. Blind-Fight isn't sound-based.</p><p></p><p>Of course, if you use the spell as written, rather than the Sage's 'suggestion', you still need to pick a square... because as written, all the figments don't have to be in the caster's square. They only need to be within five feet of the caster or another figment... so conceivably, every figment could be in a different square.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, it shouldn't. It's a Personal spell. The target is "You". Personal spells don't have Saving Throw entries.</p><p></p><p>The only ones that do are those whose Range is "Personal or Touch", or "Personal or Close"... but no spell whose range is simply "Personal" has a saving throw. The target is "You", so the saving throw entry would refer to "You"... not to bystanders.</p><p></p><p>If people were intended to be able to save to disbelieve Mirror Image, then either: </p><p>a/ the spell would mention that in the <em>text</em>, not in the Saving Throw block, since the Saving Throw block would be for the caster in a Personal spell, or</p><p>b/ the spell would not be Range: Personal, Target: You; it would instead be Effect: several figments, Saving Throw: Will disbelief.</p><p></p><p>Have a look at the Sanctuary spell. Target: creature touched. Saving Throw: Will negates.</p><p></p><p><em>That's not the saving throw a creature must make to attack the recipient</em>. That's the saving throw the "Creature Touched" gets to avoid having the spell take affect on him when it's cast. The fact that a creature must make a Will save to attack the recipient is defined in the text. It could be a Fort save, or a Reflex save, and the Saving Throw block would still read "Will negates", because that's not the save the Saving Throw block is describing.</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 1249595, member: 1656"] If you close your eyes, you [i]are[/i] suffering a Miss Chance due to Concealment, and Blind-Fight helps. Especially since the Blind-Fight feat description says nothing about the feat not working in an area of magical Silence, for example - the fact that you can't distinguish the figments by sound makes no difference. Blind-Fight isn't sound-based. Of course, if you use the spell as written, rather than the Sage's 'suggestion', you still need to pick a square... because as written, all the figments don't have to be in the caster's square. They only need to be within five feet of the caster or another figment... so conceivably, every figment could be in a different square. No, it shouldn't. It's a Personal spell. The target is "You". Personal spells don't have Saving Throw entries. The only ones that do are those whose Range is "Personal or Touch", or "Personal or Close"... but no spell whose range is simply "Personal" has a saving throw. The target is "You", so the saving throw entry would refer to "You"... not to bystanders. If people were intended to be able to save to disbelieve Mirror Image, then either: a/ the spell would mention that in the [i]text[/i], not in the Saving Throw block, since the Saving Throw block would be for the caster in a Personal spell, or b/ the spell would not be Range: Personal, Target: You; it would instead be Effect: several figments, Saving Throw: Will disbelief. Have a look at the Sanctuary spell. Target: creature touched. Saving Throw: Will negates. [i]That's not the saving throw a creature must make to attack the recipient[/i]. That's the saving throw the "Creature Touched" gets to avoid having the spell take affect on him when it's cast. The fact that a creature must make a Will save to attack the recipient is defined in the text. It could be a Fort save, or a Reflex save, and the Saving Throw block would still read "Will negates", because that's not the save the Saving Throw block is describing. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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