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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 1251246" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>Yes.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I strongly disagree.</p><p></p><p>The whole phrase "each within 5 feet of at least one other figment or you" is completely superfluous if they intended every image to reside in the caster's square... and a notably lacking phrase from the spell description is "every image resides in the caster's square".</p><p></p><p>The description is that they remain in "a cluster". This is not a game-defined term, so the spell defines exactly what "a cluster" means when relating to MI figments - each image must be within 5 feet of at least one other.</p><p></p><p>This could result in "a cluster" that resembles a straight line... but Brownian motion suggests that to be unlikely <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Certainly. As you say, it says nothing about the caster being able to control their placement.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>"Figments seem to react normally to area spells (such as looking like they’re burned or dead after being hit by a fireball)."</p><p></p><p>The <em>figments</em> react to being hit by a fireball. Not "after the caster is hit by a fireball", but after <em>they</em> are hit by a fireball.</p><p></p><p>Even the Sage admits that assuming they're in the same square doesn't follow the wording of the spell:</p><p></p><p>"<strong>Although the spell description says</strong> the images from a</p><p>mirror image spell always stay within 5 feet of either the user</p><p>or another image, it’s <strong>easiest</strong> to assume that all the images</p><p>occupy the same space the spell user occupies."</p><p></p><p>The wording of the spell certainly doesn't <em>prohibit</em> the images from ending up in the same square as the caster... but neither is it <em>required</em>, to still comply with the text.</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 1251246, member: 1656"] Yes. I strongly disagree. The whole phrase "each within 5 feet of at least one other figment or you" is completely superfluous if they intended every image to reside in the caster's square... and a notably lacking phrase from the spell description is "every image resides in the caster's square". The description is that they remain in "a cluster". This is not a game-defined term, so the spell defines exactly what "a cluster" means when relating to MI figments - each image must be within 5 feet of at least one other. This could result in "a cluster" that resembles a straight line... but Brownian motion suggests that to be unlikely :) Certainly. As you say, it says nothing about the caster being able to control their placement. "Figments seem to react normally to area spells (such as looking like they’re burned or dead after being hit by a fireball)." The [i]figments[/i] react to being hit by a fireball. Not "after the caster is hit by a fireball", but after [i]they[/i] are hit by a fireball. Even the Sage admits that assuming they're in the same square doesn't follow the wording of the spell: "[b]Although the spell description says[/b] the images from a mirror image spell always stay within 5 feet of either the user or another image, it’s [b]easiest[/b] to assume that all the images occupy the same space the spell user occupies." The wording of the spell certainly doesn't [i]prohibit[/i] the images from ending up in the same square as the caster... but neither is it [i]required[/i], to still comply with the text. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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