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<blockquote data-quote="Sigg" data-source="post: 2679060" data-attributes="member: 30546"><p>Where does it say "this feat can not be used against anything except a creature"? How about "in the case of the Cleave feat "creature" does not mean "otherwise active being" "? Or even "in the case of the Cleave feat, "creature" does not mean "character" "? If I choose to infer that the lack of a specific stated prohibition against using cleave versus anything except a live and fully corporeal, present, and non-illusory entity means that these are thereby valid targets for a cleave, then I'm no less in the right than those of you who choose to infer that by stating "creature" in the description the rules are implying that only a live and fully corporeal, present, and non-illusory entity can be targeted. Given that the FAQs apparently support my interpretation, I'm feeling fairly confident in using my own common sense on how and when I would apply the Cleave feat.</p><p></p><p>Just to give an alternate example of how I would allow the cleave feat to be used against targets other than "creatures":</p><p></p><p>Two members of the party have been taken prisoner by a band of goblins. The remaining barbarian, fighter, and wizard have found the band's camp and discovered the rogue and cleric being held in a cage made of fallen tree-limbs. The 3 decide that the fighter and the wizard will hold off the gobs long enough for the barb to free the two prisoners, then the whole group can attempt to defeat the gobs. Being a rather straight-forward kinda guy, the barb decides to get a good grip on his great axe and try to just hew clean through the wooden "bars" of the cage. I would have no problem allowing the barb to use his great cleave feat against the bars...providing he can overcome the hardness and hps of the wooden bars in one swing.</p><p></p><p>I guess what it boils down to is interpretation. If you choose to restrict the feat to a more narrow interpretation, that's your choice, but I'm not seeing where the rule specifically prohibits my broader interpretation. Oh, and given the multiple quotes straight from the PHB I've provided, I thought it would have been obvious which rule book I'm looking at, but apparently I was wrong so the book I'm looking at is the V3.5 of the Players Handbook by Wizards of the Coast ( a.k.a. Core Rulebook I).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sigg, post: 2679060, member: 30546"] Where does it say "this feat can not be used against anything except a creature"? How about "in the case of the Cleave feat "creature" does not mean "otherwise active being" "? Or even "in the case of the Cleave feat, "creature" does not mean "character" "? If I choose to infer that the lack of a specific stated prohibition against using cleave versus anything except a live and fully corporeal, present, and non-illusory entity means that these are thereby valid targets for a cleave, then I'm no less in the right than those of you who choose to infer that by stating "creature" in the description the rules are implying that only a live and fully corporeal, present, and non-illusory entity can be targeted. Given that the FAQs apparently support my interpretation, I'm feeling fairly confident in using my own common sense on how and when I would apply the Cleave feat. Just to give an alternate example of how I would allow the cleave feat to be used against targets other than "creatures": Two members of the party have been taken prisoner by a band of goblins. The remaining barbarian, fighter, and wizard have found the band's camp and discovered the rogue and cleric being held in a cage made of fallen tree-limbs. The 3 decide that the fighter and the wizard will hold off the gobs long enough for the barb to free the two prisoners, then the whole group can attempt to defeat the gobs. Being a rather straight-forward kinda guy, the barb decides to get a good grip on his great axe and try to just hew clean through the wooden "bars" of the cage. I would have no problem allowing the barb to use his great cleave feat against the bars...providing he can overcome the hardness and hps of the wooden bars in one swing. I guess what it boils down to is interpretation. If you choose to restrict the feat to a more narrow interpretation, that's your choice, but I'm not seeing where the rule specifically prohibits my broader interpretation. Oh, and given the multiple quotes straight from the PHB I've provided, I thought it would have been obvious which rule book I'm looking at, but apparently I was wrong so the book I'm looking at is the V3.5 of the Players Handbook by Wizards of the Coast ( a.k.a. Core Rulebook I). [/QUOTE]
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