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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2680737" data-attributes="member: 2011">You are totally incorrect here and just blowing smoke.Simply because "objects" are not mentioned in the feat description specifically, does automatically indicate they are prohibited targets. You are giving the feat more power than what is written in it. Just because a normal melee attack can target an object does NOT give the melee attack from a Cleave feat the ability to target an object because the Cleave feat explicitly calls out what you can attack with it. Creatures. Period. It explicitly says so."If you deal a creature enough damage to make it drop (typically by dropping it to below 0 hit points or killing it), you get an immediate, extra melee attack against another creature within reach"This also explicitly states that you get the extra melee attack against a creature within reach. This means that you cannot take a 5 foot step as part of a Cleave and arrange for a creature to be within reach.Of course, the feat goes on to state: "You cannot take a 5-foot step before making this extra attack."It did not really need to state this because the previous sentence already precluded it. They just added the sentence for clarity.You also cannot target the same creature you just damaged.PROVE that a figment is a creature and it has a minimum Wisdom score of 1 and a minimum Charisma score of 1.Or PROVE that Cleave can target something other than a creature.Or PROVE that Magic Missile can target something other than a creature.Use RAW to do so.Giving feats and spells and spell effects properties that they do not have written down in the game is merely wasting bandwidth here. It belongs in the House Rules forum."COMBAT CASTING [GENERAL]Benefit: You get a +4 bonus on Concentration checks made to cast a spell or use a spell-like ability while on the defensive or while you are grappling or pinned."You cannot use the +4 bonus to ANY other Concentration check. Just the ones it states.Just like with Cleave. You only get a melee attack against a creature. No difference.I suspect that you are a person who refuses to lose, no matter what. So, you will continue to ramble on without any rules to back up your position.Pull out some rules that we all missed to prove that figments are creatures or that Cleave can be used on objects. Otherwise, you are just spitting in the wind and wasting everyone's time.</blockquote>

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