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Message: <blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7324146" data-attributes="member: 6919838">EDIT - And simultaneous posting strikes again!!! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile    :-)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" />Blue - Consider the case of the duplicate illusion created by Cleric Trickery Duplicity. if one cast a hold person while seeing the illusion duplicate and the actual subject was unseen what would you rule the result to be then? What if Both the duplicate and the original were seen but 15' apart with no clear idea which was the real one? Would you have the hold person "auto-find" the "real boy" each time or attempt to affect the illusion and fail or make the caster choose which one to go after?What if instead of illusion duplicates it was two characters, one looking like the other and the caster needed to catch one of them but did not know visually which was the right one? In that case, they would have to pick a target (based off best info and/or skill info) and hoe they got the right one, right?What if hold person were being cast at a non-humanoid that looked like a humanoid by illusion?The key part, I BELIEVE, of the counter-argument is that "Choose a humanoid..." is a fallible stage and that having multiple identical images creates the exact same (or extremely close)  circumstances as any of the above cases and that there is NOTHING in the Mirror image spell text that removes the "Choose a humanoid" requirement from Hold Person.I BELIEVE to that point of view (and a nod to RAW) its **obvious** by Mirror Image what happens when targeted by an attack, but that there is nothing in Mirror Image that makes the impact of "illusory duplicates" of your enemies play any differently for Hold person v Mirror image than it would for Hold Person v Invoke Duplicity or any number of other ways one can have Illusory duplicates - and so they should be handled the same - be it auto-find the desired target.Basically if you have multiple targets which all appear to be "the humanoid you want" and you are required to "Choose a humanoid that you can see within range" does a Gm resolve that **choice** the same or differently based on how the illusions are created, what they really are etc.personally, i believe the RAI matches what you see... that mirror image is intended to only be applied at all against targeted spells and that "Choose a humanoid that you can see within range" gets close enough to work when choosing the ""covey of mages" from Mirror image. But i can see a (solid) RAW argument just based off the write-up of the mirror image and hold person that could see the other way as equally valid as it focuses on the restriction in hold person "Choose a humanoid..." as the key requirement still needing to be made given that in other cases where there are illusory duplicates or indistinguishable foes the "Choose a humanoid..." would become a noticeable and significant  problem. i would not myself be surprised if there was not a sage question already answered about this.</blockquote>

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