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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 313988" data-attributes="member: 2011">Well, the first question, based on the level of the spell, is:Is a 2nd level Mirror Image at maximum 8 images balanced whereas a 4th level Empowered Mirror Image at maximum 10 images unbalanced? I cannot believe this to be true when comparing a second level spell slot verus a fourth level spell slot.Ditto for a 6th level Empowered Empowered Mirror Image at a maximum of 12 images or E E E MI at a maxium of 14 images.Is it really unbalanced to nearly double the maximum result of an 8th level spell compared to a 2nd level spell?Also, the very definition of meta-magic spells is to push spells beyond their normal boundaries. Silent spells do not require verbal components, even though the normal spell does. Empowered spell can increase the variable result of a spell beyond that of the normal spell. Quite frankly, I think people are reading too much into the word "maximum" and not enough into "all variable, numeric effects of an empowered spell are increased by one half".An Empowered Mirror Image is not the same spell as a Mirror Image. The feat increases the potential of the spell, just like it does with other spells with variable numeric effects.Finally, if you roll a 1 on the D4, you still get 1 image plus level / 3. The spell did nothing extra. When you consider this, a 12th level spell caster casting Mirror Image compared with Empowered Mirror Image with your interpretation would get based on the D4:1: 5: 52: 6: 73: 7: 84: 8: 8So, on a roll of 1 or 4, he gets the same result. On a roll of 2 or 3, he gets one extra image. Does that seem fair to you that half of the rolls result in no extra bonus at all by boosting the spell by two levels? With my interpretation, he gets:1: 5: 52: 6: 73: 7: 84: 8: 10where the better he rolls, the better he does compared to the normal Mirror Image spell. And, he averages one extra image, not one half of an extra image.Is an average of one extra image for two spell levels REALLY unbalanced? You have to ask yourself this question when confronted with a confliction between words like "maximum" and "all".</blockquote>

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