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<blockquote data-quote="FireLance" data-source="post: 4617485" data-attributes="member: 3424">While I don't disagree with any of your misconceptions, I would like to highlight that the underlying complaints behind those misconceptions are mostly related to the game system, whereas complaints about the lack of druids, barbarians, gnomes, etc. are mostly related to the game material.The key distinction, at least to me, is that retraining rules, complex skill checks and recharge magic require changes to the basic rules of the game, whereas adding new classes, races, feats and powers generally do not.While the 4e ruleset is not perfect (the rules on Stealth were changed pretty quickly after its release, and there are still ongoing problems with the skill challenge system, IMO), I like 4e because the basic game rules seem to me to be better than that of 3e. Of course, that may simply be a reflection of the difference in product life cycle between 3e and 4e. It seems to me that in the early years of an edition, game companies put out a lot of material that uses the system instead of changing it. Later on in the product life cycle, they start to experiment with alternate rules and new systems. The best (or at least, the most popular among the groups that they get feedback from <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />) get folded into a new edition, and the process starts over again.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FireLance, post: 4617485, member: 3424"] While I don't disagree with any of your misconceptions, I would like to highlight that the underlying complaints behind those misconceptions are mostly related to the game [U]system[/U], whereas complaints about the lack of druids, barbarians, gnomes, etc. are mostly related to the game [U]material[/U]. The key distinction, at least to me, is that retraining rules, complex skill checks and recharge magic require changes to the basic rules of the game, whereas adding new classes, races, feats and powers generally do not. While the 4e ruleset is not perfect (the rules on Stealth were changed pretty quickly after its release, and there are still ongoing problems with the skill challenge system, IMO), I like 4e because the basic game rules seem to me to be better than that of 3e. Of course, that may simply be a reflection of the difference in product life cycle between 3e and 4e. It seems to me that in the early years of an edition, game companies put out a lot of material that uses the system instead of changing it. Later on in the product life cycle, they start to experiment with alternate rules and new systems. The best (or at least, the most popular among the groups that they get feedback from ;)) get folded into a new edition, and the process starts over again. [/QUOTE]

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