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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 4618228" data-attributes="member: 48965">I can understand that, so far, the ones I listed don't help the problems you are citing here... but I never claimed they did.&nbsp;&nbsp; And I never claimed I could fix every problem everyone had with 3.5... I claimed they gave rules support to eliminate certain problems I specifically cited (and these are really only problems for some people, which is why I love the options approach as opposed to the we decided and &quot;fixed&quot; everything for you approach.) NOTE: Some of these don't lead to rules bloat as they are replacing other rules, not adding to them...but that's really just a side point.&nbsp;I feel like some people are using this as an opportunity to throw out how much they don't like 3.5 with irrelevant dislikes, and really want to tear these solutions down with such absurd claims as they aren't part of the game...(Really, because I don't know what game they go with then), or pulling out rules I never even cited as fixing anything (Bell Curve rolls, when did I actually suggest Bell Curve rolls as a fix for anything?)... In the end it's not a thread bashing 4e, though for some reason many are taking it that way... it's a thread citing that yes, 3.5 did address many of the problems the designers and certain fans of 4e claim there was never any rules support for.&nbsp;&nbsp; Simple fact of the matter, for the issues I have listed there was rules support for solving them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 4618228, member: 48965"] I can understand that, so far, the ones I listed don't help the problems you are citing here... but I never claimed they did. And I never claimed I could fix every problem everyone had with 3.5... I claimed they gave rules support to eliminate certain problems I specifically cited (and these are really only problems for some people, which is why I love the options approach as opposed to the we decided and "fixed" everything for you approach.) NOTE: Some of these don't lead to rules bloat as they are replacing other rules, not adding to them...but that's really just a side point. I feel like some people are using this as an opportunity to throw out how much they don't like 3.5 with irrelevant dislikes, and really want to tear these solutions down with such absurd claims as they aren't part of the game...(Really, because I don't know what game they go with then), or pulling out rules I never even cited as fixing anything (Bell Curve rolls, when did I actually suggest Bell Curve rolls as a fix for anything?)... In the end it's not a thread bashing 4e, though for some reason many are taking it that way... it's a thread citing that yes, 3.5 did address many of the problems the designers and certain fans of 4e claim there was never any rules support for. Simple fact of the matter, for the issues I have listed there was rules support for solving them. [/QUOTE]

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