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<blockquote data-quote="Mal Malenkirk" data-source="post: 3708" data-attributes="member: 834">Re: Missing Magic Items: Critques Welcome! (VERY long)Cool, I liked that item.A few notes:&nbsp; 1- You have to precise that the +4 bonus to charisma is an enhancement bonus otherwise it will stack with a cloak of charisma and that'll result in killer sorcerer.2- The price is too low!&nbsp; A cloak of charisma +4 is worth 16,000 GP and all it does is raise your charisma.&nbsp; Unless I am mistaken, the tables for item creation in the DMG would suggest adding a value 10,000 GP for the ability to use charm person as a 5th level wizard and then 20,000 for suggestion.And we haven't factored the leadership feat in it.That puts us at 46,000 GP which is actually too expensive IMO, especially since the default DC for the save against charm person and suggestion will be 11 and 13.Comparing this ring to the other rings, I'd probably price it at about 40,000 GP and increase the DC for the saves to 15.&nbsp; 40,000 GP is the same price as a ring of wizardry II or a ring of freedom of movement.I'm not sure about the leadership ability.&nbsp; It sounds cool but could result in weird things when you lose the rings.&nbsp; I would think the ability to charm person is ufficient.&nbsp; Especially since you don't have to chant loudly (V component of the spell) or do other weird things when using the ring.&nbsp; This gives you a lot more flexibility on using charm person whenever you feel like it without immediately being suspected of wrongdoings.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mal Malenkirk, post: 3708, member: 834"] [b]Re: Missing Magic Items: Critques Welcome! (VERY long)[/b] Cool, I liked that item. A few notes: 1- You have to precise that the +4 bonus to charisma is an enhancement bonus otherwise it will stack with a cloak of charisma and that'll result in killer sorcerer. 2- The price is too low! A cloak of charisma +4 is worth 16,000 GP and all it does is raise your charisma. Unless I am mistaken, the tables for item creation in the DMG would suggest adding a value 10,000 GP for the ability to use charm person as a 5th level wizard and then 20,000 for suggestion. And we haven't factored the leadership feat in it. That puts us at 46,000 GP which is actually too expensive IMO, especially since the default DC for the save against charm person and suggestion will be 11 and 13. Comparing this ring to the other rings, I'd probably price it at about 40,000 GP and increase the DC for the saves to 15. 40,000 GP is the same price as a ring of wizardry II or a ring of freedom of movement. I'm not sure about the leadership ability. It sounds cool but could result in weird things when you lose the rings. I would think the ability to charm person is ufficient. Especially since you don't have to chant loudly (V component of the spell) or do other weird things when using the ring. This gives you a lot more flexibility on using charm person whenever you feel like it without immediately being suspected of wrongdoings. [/QUOTE]

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