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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 7481797" data-attributes="member: 97077"><p>You'll find it if you keep reading the rules for Jumping. You stopped short.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This section refers to a player asking for a particular proficiency to apply <em>after </em>the DM has already determined the need for an ability check, based on what the player described wanting the character to do. So at that point in the basic conversation of the game, the DM has described the environment, the player has describe what he or she wants to do, the DM has determined that the action has an uncertain outcome and a meaningful consequence of failure, and has called for an ability check accordingly. The player then asks if a particular proficiency applies to the check.</p><p></p><p>That is quite different than "Can I make an Athletics check to jump farther than normal?"</p><p></p><p>Please also note that if you want to use a house rule at your table you don't actually have to try to justify it with the rules. It sounds like you want your players to be able to say "I make an Athletics check to jump further than normal..." and have some kind of static DCs to use to resolve it. That's not in line with the expectations set forth in the rules (it's much more in line with D&D 3e or D&D 4e in my view), but if it works for your table, then do it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="iserith, post: 7481797, member: 97077"] You'll find it if you keep reading the rules for Jumping. You stopped short. This section refers to a player asking for a particular proficiency to apply [I]after [/I]the DM has already determined the need for an ability check, based on what the player described wanting the character to do. So at that point in the basic conversation of the game, the DM has described the environment, the player has describe what he or she wants to do, the DM has determined that the action has an uncertain outcome and a meaningful consequence of failure, and has called for an ability check accordingly. The player then asks if a particular proficiency applies to the check. That is quite different than "Can I make an Athletics check to jump farther than normal?" Please also note that if you want to use a house rule at your table you don't actually have to try to justify it with the rules. It sounds like you want your players to be able to say "I make an Athletics check to jump further than normal..." and have some kind of static DCs to use to resolve it. That's not in line with the expectations set forth in the rules (it's much more in line with D&D 3e or D&D 4e in my view), but if it works for your table, then do it. [/QUOTE]
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