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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 7482544" data-attributes="member: 97077"><p>I'm not sure how I can be any clearer really. You can jump up to your Strength score to the limits of your speed if you move at least 10 feet first (page 64). You can try to jump an unusually long distance (page 59) and that effort can be resolved by a Strength (Athletics) check. But in order to determine whether a check applies, the DM has to have an approach to the goal and then go to the standard method of adjudication.</p><p></p><p>The rules on page 59 do not include an approach - it's just a goal. It's therefore an incomplete description of what the character is doing and we cannot begin the adjudication process without it. Or at least without the DM assuming or establishing what the character is doing which is <em>not </em>the DM's role. The player needs to fill in this blank in my view in order for the DM to be able to perform his or her role and adjudicate accordingly. And that blank can't be filled with "I make a Strength (Athletics) check." This isn't D&D 4e. (Though some people play it that way anyway.)</p><p></p><p>Now, as for the approach the player offers, you may say that "I try harder" or "adrenaline" is good enough. I don't think it is and neither of us are wrong here. The rules can't help us determine who is correct on that ruling.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="iserith, post: 7482544, member: 97077"] I'm not sure how I can be any clearer really. You can jump up to your Strength score to the limits of your speed if you move at least 10 feet first (page 64). You can try to jump an unusually long distance (page 59) and that effort can be resolved by a Strength (Athletics) check. But in order to determine whether a check applies, the DM has to have an approach to the goal and then go to the standard method of adjudication. The rules on page 59 do not include an approach - it's just a goal. It's therefore an incomplete description of what the character is doing and we cannot begin the adjudication process without it. Or at least without the DM assuming or establishing what the character is doing which is [I]not [/I]the DM's role. The player needs to fill in this blank in my view in order for the DM to be able to perform his or her role and adjudicate accordingly. And that blank can't be filled with "I make a Strength (Athletics) check." This isn't D&D 4e. (Though some people play it that way anyway.) Now, as for the approach the player offers, you may say that "I try harder" or "adrenaline" is good enough. I don't think it is and neither of us are wrong here. The rules can't help us determine who is correct on that ruling. [/QUOTE]
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