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<blockquote data-quote="gfunk" data-source="post: 788027" data-attributes="member: 1813">1.&nbsp; Example 1The fighter is pretty much screwed.&nbsp; Unless he makes his Spot check to notice the disguise (unlikely) or has ranks in Spellcraft to notice what spell is being cast (even more unlikely), I would rule that he would suffer the effects of the spell.2.&nbsp; Example 2Unless a creature knows something to be poisonous and voluntarily forgoes a save, you *always* get a Fort save against poison.&nbsp; 3.&nbsp; Example 3I would allow an opposed Charisma roll to see if the Mindbender could convince the troll.&nbsp; If Mike fails, then the troll refuses but is still under the Charm Monster spell.&nbsp; If Mike convinces the Troll, then I would allow it.However, since the spell clearly did not increase the troll's strength, I would ask Mike to make another opposed Charisma roll to convince the troll otherwise.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gfunk, post: 788027, member: 1813"] 1. Example 1 The fighter is pretty much screwed. Unless he makes his Spot check to notice the disguise (unlikely) or has ranks in Spellcraft to notice what spell is being cast (even more unlikely), I would rule that he would suffer the effects of the spell. 2. Example 2 Unless a creature knows something to be poisonous and voluntarily forgoes a save, you *always* get a Fort save against poison. 3. Example 3 I would allow an opposed Charisma roll to see if the Mindbender could convince the troll. If Mike fails, then the troll refuses but is still under the Charm Monster spell. If Mike convinces the Troll, then I would allow it. However, since the spell clearly did not increase the troll's strength, I would ask Mike to make another opposed Charisma roll to convince the troll otherwise. [/QUOTE]

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