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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 6740906" data-attributes="member: 5890">So basically "don't bother"? You've got to make a roll with a stat that's likely to be quite bad in order to not just waste your spell and plummet, followed by another roll with a stat you're good at to not plummet, then you get either attacks with disadvantage OR normal attacks with a weapon that you could have just thrown at the thing in the first place (because it was within 30 feet of you).I think using the DMG's rules for climbing on a larger creature are just fine: the misty step is a success on the 'get on top of it', followed by holding on. Once you're up there, the creature can spend an action dislodging you, which it probably won't bother with until you start looking really dangerous.I think that a dragon probably cannot use wing buffet against creatures on it's own back.I would allow the dragon to make push attacks with it's tail attack. Getting hit and pushed back 5 feet is likely enough distance to knock you off. I might give you a secondary save against the attack, but it would use your reaction and require you to free your hands (ie - drop your weapon) to do. You would not get a secondary save against the full action dislodge described in the climbing a foe rules.To me, that's more than enough risk for the tactic.I anticipate that if you used this tactic in an area where the dragon has maneuverability, it would probably spend a round moving as far into the air as it could before attempting to dislodge you. I hope you or a party member knows feather fall.However if you survive the initial round, you stand a very good chance of doing some serious damage, getting your full attack routine with advantage.</blockquote>

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