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<blockquote data-quote="Taralan" data-source="post: 4607919" data-attributes="member: 17504">This is a good point I had not considered and show why the save mechanism, altough it looks elegant at first is not appropriate to model such effects (like my Unfailing Ressources example).Contrary to what some have stated the goal is not to make the gaze necessarily more deadly, but it should be scary, especially to much lower level PC. Surely as mentioned by Runestar we could just handwaive it for a village of peasants (altough this might stretch the credulity of some of the PC who have fought Medusa before and realise they can only very rarely turn someone to stone) but what about a fight with lower level PC ? If for some reason a group of First level PC decide to hunt a medusa, they SHOULD be turned to stone. With the current mechanic, they will be killed certainly, but very likely not affected by the monsters iconic ability.I believe these effects are caused by a holdover reflex of the designer. A save used to represent a resistance, and the mechanic would have been perfectly fine as is in all previous editions (in fact it would work great as a patch for save or die effects lethality for Pathfinder if they want to steal that machanics) but it does not work for 4e because of the flat 55% chance of success. This is why a secondary attack is needed because the old saves have not been replaced by the new save (hence the name creates confusion) but by the new defenses (fortitude reflex and will).I like this suggestion by plane sailing altough it agains plays on the hit point ablation which is not my preference.I am not sure I understand your suggestion here Ravenheart. Is the target first petrified and slowly brought back to life with succesfull saves ??</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Taralan, post: 4607919, member: 17504"] This is a good point I had not considered and show why the save mechanism, altough it looks elegant at first is not appropriate to model such effects (like my Unfailing Ressources example). Contrary to what some have stated the goal is not to make the gaze necessarily more deadly, but it should be scary, especially to much lower level PC. Surely as mentioned by Runestar we could just handwaive it for a village of peasants (altough this might stretch the credulity of some of the PC who have fought Medusa before and realise they can only very rarely turn someone to stone) but what about a fight with lower level PC ? If for some reason a group of First level PC decide to hunt a medusa, they SHOULD be turned to stone. With the current mechanic, they will be killed certainly, but very likely not affected by the monsters iconic ability. I believe these effects are caused by a holdover reflex of the designer. A save used to represent a resistance, and the mechanic would have been perfectly fine as is in all previous editions (in fact it would work great as a patch for save or die effects lethality for Pathfinder if they want to steal that machanics) but it does not work for 4e because of the flat 55% chance of success. This is why a secondary attack is needed because the old saves have not been replaced by the new save (hence the name creates confusion) but by the new defenses (fortitude reflex and will). I like this suggestion by plane sailing altough it agains plays on the hit point ablation which is not my preference. I am not sure I understand your suggestion here Ravenheart. Is the target first petrified and slowly brought back to life with succesfull saves ?? [/QUOTE]

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