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Misuse of the save mechanics in the MM to reintroduce save or die effects
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<blockquote data-quote="-Avalon-" data-source="post: 4608763" data-attributes="member: 66363"><p>Yeah, that gorgon was a solo, as was the hydra and the lion and....</p><p></p><p>Most of the great legends are based on TRUE solo's, not the ones we have in our D&D books... is the reason 1st Ed was so awesome. When some guy ran into you at a convention and said he bested Orcus' Avatar, it was a matter of WOW! That had to be a hard fight! Now, when somebody says they beat Orcus on his home plane, it is more like, "Really? So who was the boss mob then?" The mobs just seem to lack the punch they used to have...</p><p></p><p>I don't fear the slow burn, and don't fear the shock value. There are TOO many ways to heal and ritual your way out of problems... So if your 5 slow burners manage to stone/kill/paralyze/disentegrate/whatever someone, the party kills the enemies, heals up, performs a ritual, and moves on... by the way, all those things are replenished except the gold it cost for materials to do the ritual. Because all of it is based on replenishing resources, 4th Ed will make people feel like superheroes until they get a run of bad luck, when the party just dies lol... </p><p></p><p>I love 4th Ed btw, but that is my major gripe, the monsters just do not have any true ability to make PC's cringe at the thought of fighting them... well, except for kobolds hehe...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="-Avalon-, post: 4608763, member: 66363"] Yeah, that gorgon was a solo, as was the hydra and the lion and.... Most of the great legends are based on TRUE solo's, not the ones we have in our D&D books... is the reason 1st Ed was so awesome. When some guy ran into you at a convention and said he bested Orcus' Avatar, it was a matter of WOW! That had to be a hard fight! Now, when somebody says they beat Orcus on his home plane, it is more like, "Really? So who was the boss mob then?" The mobs just seem to lack the punch they used to have... I don't fear the slow burn, and don't fear the shock value. There are TOO many ways to heal and ritual your way out of problems... So if your 5 slow burners manage to stone/kill/paralyze/disentegrate/whatever someone, the party kills the enemies, heals up, performs a ritual, and moves on... by the way, all those things are replenished except the gold it cost for materials to do the ritual. Because all of it is based on replenishing resources, 4th Ed will make people feel like superheroes until they get a run of bad luck, when the party just dies lol... I love 4th Ed btw, but that is my major gripe, the monsters just do not have any true ability to make PC's cringe at the thought of fighting them... well, except for kobolds hehe... [/QUOTE]
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