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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jack Haggerty" data-source="post: 218413" data-attributes="member: 89">That's great. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> Trust me as someone who's been here since Eric's board...  I haven't yet seen the debate.  Certainly not within the last year.  The "shield" bonus that you uise is a much better idea.  There's no need for "exceptions" and it fits perfectly...  If fact, you could call a spell like Shield a shield bonus, instead of cover, and reduce a little of the potintial abuse.Anyway...  I don't really care whether or they do stack, I'm just trying to find a good reason for it, substantiated by something printed in the rulebooks.  If the designers meant it to be that way, why didn't they make it a little more clear in the books?It just gets a little frustrating to continually hear..."Can I do this?""No.""Why not?  The rules don't say I can't...""Because They said you can't."Laiyna - Bucklers give you a +1 to AC against everyone who attacks you...  You no longer have to pick a single opponent.  So any Special Ability you put on the buckler affects all enemies attack you.  However, Invulnerability is a Special Ability you can only put on Armor, not Shields.Dr. Zoom - I know it works that way, I was just trying to a point about the how silly the exception is...  You do have a good point about incorporal attacks, though.  I'll have to remember that.At any rate...  I asked my DM and the other players about it.  They saw no reason why Mage Armor shouldn't stack with shields, with the Mage Armor essentially replacing normal armor.  It looks like we'll probably use a house rule similar to IceBear's, with a warning for me not to take it to any extreme.I don't think he was worried about it...  Our next jaunt is into the Temple of Elemental Evil.Now, back to mithral bucklers...The reason I'm fond of the buckler, isn't so much that it'll give me better AC...  Like Caliban and others have said, Bracers of armor can give a much larger AC bonus...  But the fact that they can be enchanted with Special Abilities like Fortification, Spell Resistance, or Reflecting, which a wizard normally wouldn't be able to take advantage of.</blockquote>

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