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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elethiomel" data-source="post: 3356062" data-attributes="member: 49897">Okay, if you say so.True, but why skip over the bit where I liken this to fast moving monsters?A Weapon Finesse user is still penalised for a low strength score. And attacking with weapon finesse is still precise, forceful movement. That you use your dexterity for more precise placement of the strike doesn't change that you're still trying to do damage to whatever you're hitting. And not through channeling magical energies, but through making whatever you're holding in your hand crush/penetrate/cut through an enemy.Yes, which to me suggests that spell gestures are done with both arms and the whole upper body. Hence, when the buckler is made out of mithral and thus has no ASF, it is judged to not hinder this "waving around" part of spellcasting, no matter which arm it is on. This means that all that is required now is that the hand is free to make finger gestures to go along with the waving around. And guess what? The buckler can't possibly interfere with these finger gestures as it's strapped to the forearm."impediment". And I disagree, for the reasons I've already given. Well, I am also a military qualified marksman. Doesn't mean I know about shooting at fast-moving targets.As for you not wanting "some weight on your arm when firing from the standing position"? Well, there are actual unambiguous rules for this in DnD. They say that using a buckler doesn't interfere with attacks with a bow or crossbow.I know that I am using real-world examples to argue for my interpretation of the spellcasting rules. But that is because that's what's in question here - and I also believe I have given rule-based reasons for my argument. If you think that bucklers should give a penalty to ranged attacks, that's properly a different discussion.</blockquote>

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