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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 9026616" data-attributes="member: 58172">Before continuing on to the Ardling, a brief note.The official 5e Good Planes areLLG: ArcadiaLG: Mount CelestiaGLG: BitopiaGood: ElysiumGCG: BeastlandsCG: ArboreaCCG: YsgardAs a Scandinavian, I somewhat object to the location &quot;Ysgard&quot; as if &quot;Chaotic by Chaotic Good&quot;. D&amp;D traditions are problematic about characterizing &quot;primitive&quot; ethnic groups. The way it describes Norse cultures to be as if &quot;fur-clad&quot; &quot;chaotic&quot; &quot;barbarians&quot; is both factually incorrect and part of this wider problem. A more accurate representation of these reallife cultures is to make æsir and jotnar be creatures of the Material Plane. The thunderstorm itself is a kind of &quot;æsir&quot;, each mountain is a kind of &quot;jǫtnar&quot;, and so on. The closest thing in D&amp;D to this concept is that certain places are psionic. In any case, trying to make Norse traditions fit in an alignment chart is absurd. Some individuals might arguably Lawful or Chaotic, but they all hang out together in the same place. To mischaracterize all of them as if &quot;chaotic&quot; barbarians is problematic. Inhospitable places like icy Niflheimr, fiery Muspelheimr, and empty Ginnungagap are actual places like the polar ice cap, the Saharan Desert, and outer space. Even if reworked as abstractions, they would be more like the Elemental Chaos. I would be more comfortable make the Norse nature beings be Elementals, maybe Primordials, and maybe Giants (meaning æsir, alfar, and dvergar are all &quot;Giants&quot; and the definition of a Giant is an apparition of some feature of nature).Relatedly, I would make Greek gods Archfey, rather than trying to display them within ethical alignments. According to the ancient Greeks, the Greek gods are otherworldly, rivaling, and capricious. There is a medieval tradition to describe Greek gods as &quot;fairies&quot;, including Pluto with his own fairy court, and dryads explained as a kind of fairy. Making the reallife traditions about Greek gods serve as alignment figures is confusing at best.Names like &quot;Arcadia&quot; who are an ancient indigenous people in Greece, and less helpful terms like &quot;Limbo&quot; that dont really describe D&amp;D Chaos, are probably worth doublechecking too.Hades is more like 5e Shadowfell, and better to call the NE plane by its other name Gray Waste.Maybe make its theism more archetypal like the Thera setting, and nontheistic Divine options along the lines of Paladin more prominent. This can also help reallife players feel more comfortable and &quot;safe&quot; when playing D&amp;D, since the way that religions get portrayed can interfere with the enjoyment of the game.A 5e version of Planescape needs to vet everything in the earlier D&amp;D traditions.D&amp;D 5e seems to be leaning away from referring to reallife ethnicities, and that is probably for the best, even if sometimes disappointing. Updating the D&amp;D Ysgard would be part of the cultural sensitivity going forward.That said.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 9026616, member: 58172"] Before continuing on to the Ardling, a brief note. The official 5e Good Planes are [B]LLG[/B]: Arcadia [B]LG[/B]: Mount Celestia [B]GLG[/B]: Bitopia [B]Good[/B]: Elysium [B]GCG[/B]: Beastlands [B]CG[/B]: Arborea [B]CCG[/B]: Ysgard As a Scandinavian, I somewhat object to the location "Ysgard" as if "Chaotic by Chaotic Good". D&D traditions are problematic about characterizing "primitive" ethnic groups. The way it describes Norse cultures to be as if "fur-clad" "chaotic" "barbarians" is both factually incorrect and part of this wider problem. A more accurate representation of these reallife cultures is to make æsir and jotnar be creatures of the Material Plane. The thunderstorm itself is a kind of "æsir", each mountain is a kind of "jǫtnar", and so on. The closest thing in D&D to this concept is that certain places are psionic. In any case, trying to make Norse traditions fit in an alignment chart is absurd. Some individuals might arguably Lawful or Chaotic, but they all hang out together in the same place. To mischaracterize all of them as if "chaotic" barbarians is problematic. Inhospitable places like icy Niflheimr, fiery Muspelheimr, and empty Ginnungagap are actual places like the polar ice cap, the Saharan Desert, and outer space. Even if reworked as abstractions, they would be more like the Elemental Chaos. I would be more comfortable make the Norse nature beings be Elementals, maybe Primordials, and maybe Giants (meaning æsir, alfar, and dvergar are all "Giants" and the definition of a Giant is an apparition of some feature of nature). Relatedly, I would make Greek gods Archfey, rather than trying to display them within ethical alignments. According to the ancient Greeks, the Greek gods are otherworldly, rivaling, and capricious. There is a medieval tradition to describe Greek gods as "fairies", including Pluto with his own fairy court, and dryads explained as a kind of fairy. Making the reallife traditions about Greek gods serve as alignment figures is confusing at best. Names like "Arcadia" who are an ancient indigenous people in Greece, and less helpful terms like "Limbo" that dont really describe D&D Chaos, are probably worth doublechecking too. Hades is more like 5e Shadowfell, and better to call the NE plane by its other name Gray Waste. Maybe make its theism more archetypal like the Thera setting, and nontheistic Divine options along the lines of Paladin more prominent. This can also help reallife players feel more comfortable and "safe" when playing D&D, since the way that religions get portrayed can interfere with the enjoyment of the game. A 5e version of Planescape needs to vet everything in the earlier D&D traditions. D&D 5e seems to be leaning away from referring to reallife ethnicities, and that is probably for the best, even if sometimes disappointing. Updating the D&D Ysgard would be part of the cultural sensitivity going forward. That said. [/QUOTE]

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