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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 9031102" data-attributes="member: 58172"><p>5e continues earlier editions of D&D. At the same time, earlier editions can be conflictive, forcing choices, and todays mechanics and lore sensibilities evolve.</p><p></p><p>With both the Tiefling and the <s>Ardling</s> Aasimar in mind, I am look at something like the following.</p><p></p><p>I am using the earlier terminology where "Angel" means any kind of Angel across the alignment dominions. So the 5e kind of Angel that is typically Lawful Good, is specifically the Aasimons (including Solar and Planetar). So here, the Guardinal is the kind of Angel that is native to Beastlands, and typically GCG. Guardinals also inhabit neighboring dominions but originate in Beastlands. Note, the kind of "Angel" that is typically Lawful Evil is the Devils, and so on. Each dominion can have its own kind of Angel be native to it.</p><p></p><p>In earlier editions, a "Planetouched" tended to assume a Human with actual sexually reproductive ancestry. But there were many exceptions. 5e mentions multiple ways for a character to be planetouched, including Celestials immigrating to the Material Plane, as well Humanoids in the Material Plane being magically transformed by Celestials. As far as I know, 5e hasnt officially used the term "planetouched". It refers to planar "Ancestry" while using the term broadly.</p><p></p><p>In 5e, the Arboreal Ancestry would be "Elf", while "Eladrin" is the title for the Archfey Celestial "Angel". But because the Elf is now "Any" alignment, it makes less sense for the species to personify a specific alignment, including Chaotic Good.</p><p></p><p>Items in brackets [ ] mean either: a traditional alternate name is preferable (such as Gray Waste), a mysterious planar origin usefully clarifies here (such as Zenythri and Mercane), or a relocation helps fill in narrative blanks (such as Aberration helping populate the Evil plane).</p><p></p><p>The term "Aasimar" is used both specifically, from LG Aasimon, as well as vaguely from any Celestial. Similarly, "Tiefling" from LE Devil, as well as vaguely from any Fiend.</p><p></p><p>I like how 4e handles Elemental "Archons", but the name clashes with meanings in other editions. I want to include the 4e concept here, by a different name. Tentatively, the Rilmani in the outer Elemental Chaos are the Elemental Primorideal types, whence Genasi, while the Rilmani in the inner Spire are cautious True Neutral types.</p><p></p><p>So far, 5e is remarkably silent about the Upper dominons. I was impressed with how the Thera setting handled these kinds of things. The Planescape setting is coming out soon. I find myself looking forward to it.</p><p></p><p></p><table style='width: 100%'><tr><td></td><td><strong>PLANE</strong></td><td><strong>INHABITANT</strong></td><td><strong>ANGEL</strong></td><td><strong>ANCESTRY</strong></td><td><strong>TYPE</strong></td></tr><tr><td>CCG</td><td>Ysgard</td><td>Ysan</td><td></td><td></td><td>Celestial</td></tr><tr><td>CG</td><td>Arborea</td><td>Arboreal</td><td>[? <s>Eladrin</s>]</td><td>[? <s>Elf</s>]</td><td>Celestial</td></tr><tr><td>GCG</td><td>Beastlands</td><td>Beastlander</td><td>Guardinal</td><td>Ardling</td><td>Celestial</td></tr><tr><td>TG</td><td>Elysium</td><td>Elysian</td><td></td><td></td><td>Celestial</td></tr><tr><td>GLG</td><td>Bytopia</td><td>Bytopian</td><td>[Deva]</td><td></td><td>Celestial</td></tr><tr><td>LG</td><td>Mt Celestia</td><td>Montan</td><td>Aasimon</td><td>"Aasimar"</td><td>Celestial</td></tr><tr><td>LLG</td><td>Arcada [!]</td><td>Arcadan</td><td>[Mercane]</td><td></td><td>Celestial</td></tr><tr><td>LN</td><td>Mechanus</td><td>Mechan</td><td>Modron</td><td>Axani</td><td>[Primordial]</td></tr><tr><td>LLE</td><td>[Avalas]</td><td>Avalan</td><td></td><td>[Zenythri]</td><td>Fiend</td></tr><tr><td>LE</td><td>Nine Hells</td><td>Infernal</td><td>Devil</td><td>"Tiefling"</td><td>Fiend</td></tr><tr><td>ELE</td><td>Gehenna</td><td>Gehennan</td><td></td><td></td><td>Fiend</td></tr><tr><td>TE</td><td>[Gray Waste]</td><td>Yugoloth</td><td>[Aberration]</td><td>[Kaorti]</td><td>Fiend</td></tr><tr><td>ECE</td><td>Carceri</td><td>Carceral</td><td>Gehreleth</td><td></td><td>Fiend</td></tr><tr><td>CE</td><td>Abyss</td><td>Abyssal</td><td>Demon</td><td>[Cambion]</td><td>Fiend</td></tr><tr><td>CCE</td><td>Pandemonium</td><td>Pandemonian</td><td></td><td></td><td>Fiend</td></tr><tr><td>CN</td><td>Limbo</td><td>Limban</td><td>Slaad</td><td>Cansin</td><td>[Primordial]</td></tr><tr><td>TN</td><td>Outlands</td><td>Outlander</td><td>Rilmani</td><td>[Genasi]</td><td>[Primordial]</td></tr></table></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 9031102, member: 58172"] 5e continues earlier editions of D&D. At the same time, earlier editions can be conflictive, forcing choices, and todays mechanics and lore sensibilities evolve. With both the Tiefling and the [S]Ardling[/S] Aasimar in mind, I am look at something like the following. I am using the earlier terminology where "Angel" means any kind of Angel across the alignment dominions. So the 5e kind of Angel that is typically Lawful Good, is specifically the Aasimons (including Solar and Planetar). So here, the Guardinal is the kind of Angel that is native to Beastlands, and typically GCG. Guardinals also inhabit neighboring dominions but originate in Beastlands. Note, the kind of "Angel" that is typically Lawful Evil is the Devils, and so on. Each dominion can have its own kind of Angel be native to it. In earlier editions, a "Planetouched" tended to assume a Human with actual sexually reproductive ancestry. But there were many exceptions. 5e mentions multiple ways for a character to be planetouched, including Celestials immigrating to the Material Plane, as well Humanoids in the Material Plane being magically transformed by Celestials. As far as I know, 5e hasnt officially used the term "planetouched". It refers to planar "Ancestry" while using the term broadly. In 5e, the Arboreal Ancestry would be "Elf", while "Eladrin" is the title for the Archfey Celestial "Angel". But because the Elf is now "Any" alignment, it makes less sense for the species to personify a specific alignment, including Chaotic Good. Items in brackets [ ] mean either: a traditional alternate name is preferable (such as Gray Waste), a mysterious planar origin usefully clarifies here (such as Zenythri and Mercane), or a relocation helps fill in narrative blanks (such as Aberration helping populate the Evil plane). The term "Aasimar" is used both specifically, from LG Aasimon, as well as vaguely from any Celestial. Similarly, "Tiefling" from LE Devil, as well as vaguely from any Fiend. I like how 4e handles Elemental "Archons", but the name clashes with meanings in other editions. I want to include the 4e concept here, by a different name. Tentatively, the Rilmani in the outer Elemental Chaos are the Elemental Primorideal types, whence Genasi, while the Rilmani in the inner Spire are cautious True Neutral types. So far, 5e is remarkably silent about the Upper dominons. I was impressed with how the Thera setting handled these kinds of things. The Planescape setting is coming out soon. I find myself looking forward to it. [TABLE] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][B]PLANE[/B][/TD] [TD][B]INHABITANT[/B][/TD] [TD][B]ANGEL[/B][/TD] [TD][B]ANCESTRY[/B][/TD] [TD][B]TYPE[/B][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]CCG[/TD] [TD]Ysgard[/TD] [TD]Ysan[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]Celestial[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]CG[/TD] [TD]Arborea[/TD] [TD]Arboreal[/TD] [TD][? [S]Eladrin[/S]][/TD] [TD][? [S]Elf[/S]][/TD] [TD]Celestial[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]GCG[/TD] [TD]Beastlands[/TD] [TD]Beastlander[/TD] [TD]Guardinal[/TD] [TD]Ardling[/TD] [TD]Celestial[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]TG[/TD] [TD]Elysium[/TD] [TD]Elysian[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]Celestial[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]GLG[/TD] [TD]Bytopia[/TD] [TD]Bytopian[/TD] [TD][Deva][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]Celestial[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]LG[/TD] [TD]Mt Celestia[/TD] [TD]Montan[/TD] [TD]Aasimon[/TD] [TD]"Aasimar"[/TD] [TD]Celestial[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]LLG[/TD] [TD]Arcada [!][/TD] [TD]Arcadan[/TD] [TD][Mercane][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]Celestial[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]LN[/TD] [TD]Mechanus[/TD] [TD]Mechan[/TD] [TD]Modron[/TD] [TD]Axani[/TD] [TD][Primordial][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]LLE[/TD] [TD][Avalas][/TD] [TD]Avalan[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][Zenythri][/TD] [TD]Fiend[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]LE[/TD] [TD]Nine Hells[/TD] [TD]Infernal[/TD] [TD]Devil[/TD] [TD]"Tiefling"[/TD] [TD]Fiend[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]ELE[/TD] [TD]Gehenna[/TD] [TD]Gehennan[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]Fiend[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]TE[/TD] [TD][Gray Waste][/TD] [TD]Yugoloth[/TD] [TD][Aberration][/TD] [TD][Kaorti][/TD] [TD]Fiend[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]ECE[/TD] [TD]Carceri[/TD] [TD]Carceral[/TD] [TD]Gehreleth[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]Fiend[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]CE[/TD] [TD]Abyss[/TD] [TD]Abyssal[/TD] [TD]Demon[/TD] [TD][Cambion][/TD] [TD]Fiend[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]CCE[/TD] [TD]Pandemonium[/TD] [TD]Pandemonian[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]Fiend[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]CN[/TD] [TD]Limbo[/TD] [TD]Limban[/TD] [TD]Slaad[/TD] [TD]Cansin[/TD] [TD][Primordial][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]TN[/TD] [TD]Outlands[/TD] [TD]Outlander[/TD] [TD]Rilmani[/TD] [TD][Genasi][/TD] [TD][Primordial][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/QUOTE]
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