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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6387750" data-attributes="member: 2525">Now you have become a moving target - which is why I said I won't play that quote game because it almost always goes the way you just took it.&nbsp; It's disingenuous to say to someone &quot;The books don't say creatures are inherently evil - prove it&quot; and then when they give you an example you just move to another example and ask for &quot;prove it&quot; again. I'd then reference the Draconomicon from 4e and how it talks about inherant evil from birth, and you'd switch to something else, or a different type of dragon, or a different edition of the game, or whatever new target you'd like.&nbsp; I am not Charlie Brown, I know you're pulling the football away at the last second, and so I am not going to play that game.Now you know.I definitely immerse myself in movies that I go to see, that is the entire point of a movie and the atmosphere and the large screen, it's the entire point of the enhancements in technology with sound and vision and effects and even seating and audiences.&nbsp; If you're not feeling any immersion effects from movies, I wonder why? Others around you in that movie audience are definitely feeling what you say you're not feeling.&nbsp; Entire departments at colleges are devoted to studying it in fact.&nbsp; Why are you not feeling anything from movies, but you have no trouble feeling something in games? That seems odd to me.I do not spend years fantasizing about being the character I play in a tabletop role playing game, by the way.&nbsp; When I am playing I try to immerse myself to some extent in the character and the game (to the same extent I immerse myself in other entertainment, like movies), but when I am not playing I am not fantasizing about being the character.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 6387750, member: 2525"] Now you have become a moving target - which is why I said I won't play that quote game because it almost always goes the way you just took it. It's disingenuous to say to someone "The books don't say creatures are inherently evil - prove it" and then when they give you an example you just move to another example and ask for "prove it" again. I'd then reference the Draconomicon from 4e and how it talks about inherant evil from birth, and you'd switch to something else, or a different type of dragon, or a different edition of the game, or whatever new target you'd like. I am not Charlie Brown, I know you're pulling the football away at the last second, and so I am not going to play that game. Now you know. I definitely immerse myself in movies that I go to see, that is the entire point of a movie and the atmosphere and the large screen, it's the entire point of the enhancements in technology with sound and vision and effects and even seating and audiences. If you're not feeling any immersion effects from movies, I wonder why? Others around you in that movie audience are definitely feeling what you say you're not feeling. Entire departments at colleges are devoted to studying it in fact. Why are you not feeling anything from movies, but you have no trouble feeling something in games? That seems odd to me. I do not spend years fantasizing about being the character I play in a tabletop role playing game, by the way. When I am playing I try to immerse myself to some extent in the character and the game (to the same extent I immerse myself in other entertainment, like movies), but when I am not playing I am not fantasizing about being the character. [/QUOTE]

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