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<blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 6421191" data-attributes="member: 43019">Eh. It's not too far off for 3e and 4e, in effect. In 3e you had to take a full-round action, provoke AoOs, and it just made it a critical that you got to save against: the DC was ridiculous, but frankly the number of immunities in 3e meant that your chances of CdGing effectively was much less (both for landing an initial condition and for the thing not being immune to critical hits, death effects, etc)In 4E, you had to do half the target's hp in one hit to kill it. You're not going to do that even with a crit in 5e.Since we're talking about ~20th level you can assume several crits (iterative attacks) instead.Every edition is different, but there's a reason I mentioned an assassin - hold person is low level, and you should kill any humanoid (especially a rogue-like one) with a round of autocrits. As opposed to hold monster which might find a creature that has too many hp to compete.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="keterys, post: 6421191, member: 43019"] Eh. It's not too far off for 3e and 4e, in effect. In 3e you had to take a full-round action, provoke AoOs, and it just made it a critical that you got to save against: the DC was ridiculous, but frankly the number of immunities in 3e meant that your chances of CdGing effectively was much less (both for landing an initial condition and for the thing not being immune to critical hits, death effects, etc) In 4E, you had to do half the target's hp in one hit to kill it. You're not going to do that even with a crit in 5e. Since we're talking about ~20th level you can assume several crits (iterative attacks) instead. Every edition is different, but there's a reason I mentioned an assassin - hold person is low level, and you should kill any humanoid (especially a rogue-like one) with a round of autocrits. As opposed to hold monster which might find a creature that has too many hp to compete. [/QUOTE]

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