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<blockquote data-quote="Vyvyan Basterd" data-source="post: 4784204" data-attributes="member: 4892"><p>IMO, D&D is not a toolbox. It is not the Generic FRPG that people claim it is. You admit in your own point #4 that there is lore attached to the game. This wouldn't exist in a toolbox. d20 Modern was a toolbox. It had no implied setting. IMO that lack of implied setting is what made the game less popular (not to say that it is an inferior game, just not as popular as D&D). Being non-generic doesn't mean the system can't be used for other settings. Other setting merely require a setting guide that explains how the setting differs from the default.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The MM and DMG provides stats and guidance for people "inside the city walls." NPCs, both good and evil are available for the DM to use as enemies and allies. The only people adding to the "4E = combat" impression are those who refuse to sway their opinion based on the experience of actual 4E DMs and Players or those who enjoy hack and slash campaigns (which can be fun if that's what you're into).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why would the DM have to create from scratch? Take an Angel. Change Unaligned to Good or Lawful Good. There you go. Nowhere in the books does it state or imply that the DM can't choose the alignment of NPCs in the game. A creature being labelled as Unaligned just means that a typical member of that race is that alignment, individuals can vary. Nowhere is a creature labelled Always Good as in a prior edition. [I also think that the flavor of the new angels being servitors of their deity works well as Unaligned. They act in a manner befitting their master. They didn't choose to act that way, they are obligated to do so.]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The new alignment system doesn't equal the old. The kept some terms the same, that's all. Unaligned beings can be just as good in life as any Good creature in previous editions. And as others have pointed out, metallic dragons may have been color-coded to Good in previous edition, but their backgrounds didn't match their alignment very well.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If it's just a small annoyance then I don't understand your vehemance on the subject.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vyvyan Basterd, post: 4784204, member: 4892"] IMO, D&D is not a toolbox. It is not the Generic FRPG that people claim it is. You admit in your own point #4 that there is lore attached to the game. This wouldn't exist in a toolbox. d20 Modern was a toolbox. It had no implied setting. IMO that lack of implied setting is what made the game less popular (not to say that it is an inferior game, just not as popular as D&D). Being non-generic doesn't mean the system can't be used for other settings. Other setting merely require a setting guide that explains how the setting differs from the default. The MM and DMG provides stats and guidance for people "inside the city walls." NPCs, both good and evil are available for the DM to use as enemies and allies. The only people adding to the "4E = combat" impression are those who refuse to sway their opinion based on the experience of actual 4E DMs and Players or those who enjoy hack and slash campaigns (which can be fun if that's what you're into). Why would the DM have to create from scratch? Take an Angel. Change Unaligned to Good or Lawful Good. There you go. Nowhere in the books does it state or imply that the DM can't choose the alignment of NPCs in the game. A creature being labelled as Unaligned just means that a typical member of that race is that alignment, individuals can vary. Nowhere is a creature labelled Always Good as in a prior edition. [I also think that the flavor of the new angels being servitors of their deity works well as Unaligned. They act in a manner befitting their master. They didn't choose to act that way, they are obligated to do so.] The new alignment system doesn't equal the old. The kept some terms the same, that's all. Unaligned beings can be just as good in life as any Good creature in previous editions. And as others have pointed out, metallic dragons may have been color-coded to Good in previous edition, but their backgrounds didn't match their alignment very well. If it's just a small annoyance then I don't understand your vehemance on the subject. [/QUOTE]
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