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<blockquote data-quote="Jhaelen" data-source="post: 5235935" data-attributes="member: 46713"><p>After analyzing the July Rules Update (see <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/4e-discussion/281219-july-rules-update-dungeon-masters-guide-errata-needed.html" target="_blank">here</a>), I decided to verify the attack bonuses in MM3. Below is a list of the irregularities, I've found.</p><p></p><p>Note, that as mentioned in my other post, I'm pretty sure there's an error in the new 'monster statistics by role' table: Soldier Attack vs. other defenses should be +3, not +5.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, I'm equally sure that most of these deviations from the norm are intentional, especially in the cases where monsters have two different attack values. In some cases, the name of the attack already gives a hint, that it is either more or less accurate than the norm.</p><p></p><p>I've also noticed something that I consider a 'dangerous' practice, though:</p><p>E.g. the shadow stalker has an attack that is two higher than it should be, however, this attack can only be used after it used another ability that grants a +2 bonus to attacks. Apparently, they already included that bonus in this attack without mentioning it. As written, the bonus would be applied _again_.</p><p>There are also quite a few monsters with special charge attacks that already include the +1 bonus for charging.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, in many if not most cases, these deviations in the attack bonuses explain the deviations I noticed in damage expressions. </p><p>Examples are the girallons who are less accurate but do more damage, and the catastrophic dragons which have more accurate attacks that deal less damage.</p><p></p><p>[code]page role name vs. AC vs Def</p><p>11 brute silverback ape 3 1</p><p>11 soldier ape temple guardian 7 5</p><p>14 artillery godslayer inferno 3 3</p><p>15 brute light of amoth 5 2</p><p>16 artillery green arcanian - 1/3/5</p><p>17 artillery red arcanian - 1/3</p><p>22 artillery beholder spawn 3 3</p><p>22 lurker eye of shadow 3 3</p><p>28 brute cave fisher spawn 3 -</p><p>28 lurker cave fisher angler 5 4</p><p>36 skirmisher craud impaler 5/7 -</p><p>37 soldier craud king 5 5</p><p>42 brute maw demon 3 -</p><p>42 brute greater maw demon 3 2</p><p>54 soldier corrupted glutton - 5</p><p>55 artillery corrupted monger - 2/5</p><p>69 soldier earthquake dragon 5/7 -</p><p>72 brute volcanic dragon 4/6 -</p><p>75 soldier dread guardian 5/7 -</p><p>78 artillery drow archmage 5 5</p><p>85 skirmisher forsaken infiltrator 4/5 -</p><p>102 brute girallon 4 2</p><p>105 soldier gnoll war fang 7 -</p><p>115 skirmisher servant of the fire lord 6 4</p><p>126 lurker lolth 5 3/1</p><p>129 soldier eclavdra 5 5/3</p><p>139 controller elder brain 3 4</p><p>142 controller nagpa corruptor - 4</p><p>146 soldier kalareem nerra 5 6</p><p>147 soldier delphar nerra 5 5/3</p><p>148 soldier norker stone shield 7/5 3</p><p>149 brute norker grunt 3 -</p><p>151 controller spring nymph - 5/3</p><p>152 soldier wood nymph 5 5/3</p><p>163 controller earth cultist 3 -</p><p>163 soldier fist of the stone tyrant 7/5 -</p><p>164 brute stone thrall 5/3 -</p><p>168 brute scarecrow shambler 3 -</p><p>169 lurker scarecrow haunter 5 5/3</p><p>170 controller enigma of vecna 5 4/3</p><p>172 lurker shadow stalker - 5/3</p><p>185 controller emissary of caiphon - 5/3</p><p>189 soldier su ambusher 7 3</p><p>196 brute tulgar warrior 5/3 -</p><p>197 controller tulgar spirit talker 5 5/3</p><p>199 soldier astral hulk 5 5/3</p><p>204 controller thought weaver 5 5/4</p><p>209 controller xivort net caster 5 4</p><p>210 soldier yeti hunter 5 5/3</p><p>213 controller coil of zehir 5 5</p><p>215 skirmisher molt of zehir 5 4</p><p>[/code]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jhaelen, post: 5235935, member: 46713"] After analyzing the July Rules Update (see [url=http://www.enworld.org/forum/4e-discussion/281219-july-rules-update-dungeon-masters-guide-errata-needed.html]here[/url]), I decided to verify the attack bonuses in MM3. Below is a list of the irregularities, I've found. Note, that as mentioned in my other post, I'm pretty sure there's an error in the new 'monster statistics by role' table: Soldier Attack vs. other defenses should be +3, not +5. Anyway, I'm equally sure that most of these deviations from the norm are intentional, especially in the cases where monsters have two different attack values. In some cases, the name of the attack already gives a hint, that it is either more or less accurate than the norm. I've also noticed something that I consider a 'dangerous' practice, though: E.g. the shadow stalker has an attack that is two higher than it should be, however, this attack can only be used after it used another ability that grants a +2 bonus to attacks. Apparently, they already included that bonus in this attack without mentioning it. As written, the bonus would be applied _again_. There are also quite a few monsters with special charge attacks that already include the +1 bonus for charging. Anyway, in many if not most cases, these deviations in the attack bonuses explain the deviations I noticed in damage expressions. Examples are the girallons who are less accurate but do more damage, and the catastrophic dragons which have more accurate attacks that deal less damage. [code]page role name vs. AC vs Def 11 brute silverback ape 3 1 11 soldier ape temple guardian 7 5 14 artillery godslayer inferno 3 3 15 brute light of amoth 5 2 16 artillery green arcanian - 1/3/5 17 artillery red arcanian - 1/3 22 artillery beholder spawn 3 3 22 lurker eye of shadow 3 3 28 brute cave fisher spawn 3 - 28 lurker cave fisher angler 5 4 36 skirmisher craud impaler 5/7 - 37 soldier craud king 5 5 42 brute maw demon 3 - 42 brute greater maw demon 3 2 54 soldier corrupted glutton - 5 55 artillery corrupted monger - 2/5 69 soldier earthquake dragon 5/7 - 72 brute volcanic dragon 4/6 - 75 soldier dread guardian 5/7 - 78 artillery drow archmage 5 5 85 skirmisher forsaken infiltrator 4/5 - 102 brute girallon 4 2 105 soldier gnoll war fang 7 - 115 skirmisher servant of the fire lord 6 4 126 lurker lolth 5 3/1 129 soldier eclavdra 5 5/3 139 controller elder brain 3 4 142 controller nagpa corruptor - 4 146 soldier kalareem nerra 5 6 147 soldier delphar nerra 5 5/3 148 soldier norker stone shield 7/5 3 149 brute norker grunt 3 - 151 controller spring nymph - 5/3 152 soldier wood nymph 5 5/3 163 controller earth cultist 3 - 163 soldier fist of the stone tyrant 7/5 - 164 brute stone thrall 5/3 - 168 brute scarecrow shambler 3 - 169 lurker scarecrow haunter 5 5/3 170 controller enigma of vecna 5 4/3 172 lurker shadow stalker - 5/3 185 controller emissary of caiphon - 5/3 189 soldier su ambusher 7 3 196 brute tulgar warrior 5/3 - 197 controller tulgar spirit talker 5 5/3 199 soldier astral hulk 5 5/3 204 controller thought weaver 5 5/4 209 controller xivort net caster 5 4 210 soldier yeti hunter 5 5/3 213 controller coil of zehir 5 5 215 skirmisher molt of zehir 5 4 [/code] [/QUOTE]
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