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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mouseferatu" data-source="post: 1798649" data-attributes="member: 1288">Sure I can. A cone of cold cast by a 15th-level Mystic Theurge or True Necromancer is weaker than a cone of cold cast by a straight wizard of the same level, because the MT/TN's caster level for wizard spells is lower. That has no bearing whatsoever on total number of spell levels, and isn't measured by any such rubric.Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the TN/MT are appropriate for all styles of play. As you and I have discussed before (in reference to psion vs. sorcerer, I believe), play style has a major impact on whether something is balanced. When you get right down to it, every one of these "balance" discussions is a moot point, unless you're working from a common campaign, or something is so blatantly out of whack (like the Radiant Servant of Pelor) that it just leaps off the page.Balance, frankly, is a common myth that we all (or most of us, anyway) agree to subscribe to. My belief is that, in most campaigns, the MT and TN are both balanced, because my experience shows that trading the upper level of your potential power for a greater variety of lower-level stuff is a fair trade (within reason). But that's obviously based on my experience of campaigns. Yours (also obviously) differs.As far as the "Swiss army knife" aspect, you're right--but again, that brings us back to versatility vs. power. Frankly, the bard is one of the single-most versatile core classes, and is in fact touted as a good fifth party member because he can take on the rolls of any of the main four, but not as well. But I've never heard anyone complain the bard is unbalanced, unless they were complaining it's too weak. It's the same thing here. Sometimes the party wants power. Sometimes they want variety. Sometimes one wins out, sometimes the other. I don't think being the Swiss army knife is an inherently unbalancing advantage, when balanced with loss of power. Sure, they can deal with more types of situations, but they won't deal with any given situation as effectively.</blockquote>

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