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<blockquote data-quote="Venerable Inceptor" data-source="post: 7575178" data-attributes="member: 6988724">Can the rule for &quot;handling mobs&quot; (DMG 250) be adapted for mobs that attempt to grapple? The procedure given involves calculating the d20 roll needed to hit based on the target's AC minus the attackers' attack bonus, but grappling involves opposed skill checks rather than an attack roll vs. AC, so it doesn't map smoothly onto the given procedure.How would this work? Suppose those same eight orcs attempt to grapple a 3rd level fighter, who has STR 18 (+4) and is proficient in Athletics, so give him an &quot;average grapple DC&quot; of 16 (base 10 + 6 for his Strength (Athletics) bonus). The orcs have STR 16, so +3 for Strength (Athletics) checks, and thus need a roll of 16 - 3 = 13 to grapple the fighter. According to the chart, this means 3 attackers are needed for 1 to hit, so the fighter ends up grappled by 8 ÷ 3 = 2 orcs.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Venerable Inceptor, post: 7575178, member: 6988724"] Can the rule for "handling mobs" (DMG 250) be adapted for mobs that attempt to grapple? The procedure given involves calculating the d20 roll needed to hit based on the target's AC minus the attackers' attack bonus, but grappling involves opposed skill checks rather than an attack roll vs. AC, so it doesn't map smoothly onto the given procedure. How would this work? Suppose those same eight orcs attempt to grapple a 3rd level fighter, who has STR 18 (+4) and is proficient in Athletics, so give him an "average grapple DC" of 16 (base 10 + 6 for his Strength (Athletics) bonus). The orcs have STR 16, so +3 for Strength (Athletics) checks, and thus need a roll of 16 - 3 = 13 to grapple the fighter. According to the chart, this means 3 attackers are needed for 1 to hit, so the fighter ends up grappled by 8 [B]÷ [/B]3 = 2 orcs. [/QUOTE]

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