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<blockquote data-quote="SnowDog" data-source="post: 82370" data-attributes="member: 2225"><p><strong>Sage Advice</strong></p><p></p><p>Ok, I mailed the sage. Here's his response:</p><p></p><p>Q: When do you get AoO's as a result of a bull rush? </p><p></p><p>A: When the bull-rushing creature moves (assuming you threaten the space creature leaves). You might also get an AoO when the bull rushed creatures moves, provided you threaten the space the creature leaves.</p><p></p><p>Q: How does the Mobility feat factor into this? </p><p></p><p>A: It has the standard effect. (Remember that it's movement that triggers AoOs in a bull rush.</p><p></p><p>Q: How do the 5' movement rules factor into this? </p><p></p><p>A: It doesn't. Making a bull rush is not a 5-foot step. Neither is being moved as a result of a bull rush. </p><p></p><p>Q: Players' Handbook, Page 128, Table 8-4 Miscellaneous Actions says </p><p></p><p>Standard Actions Attack of Opportunity </p><p>Bull Rush (attack) No </p><p>Bull Rush (charge) No </p><p></p><p>This implies there is no implicit AoO from a bull rush. </p><p></p><p>A: For the bull rush action, correct. </p><p></p><p>Q: When we look at page 136, we see (excerpted): </p><p>First, you move into the defender's space. Moving in this way provokes an AoO from each foe that threatens you, probably including the defender. </p><p></p><p>A: Correct. (It's not the action, it's the movement.) </p><p></p><p>Q: Interestingly, if you are adjacent to someone and initiate a bull rush, you are only moving 5', and as mentioned in the PH, no AoO's are triggered if your only movement for the round is five feet. </p><p></p><p>A: No, moving into the foe's space triggers the AoO. </p><p></p><p>Q: So. If the AoO comes from the movement, and not the act of the bull rush, then it seems that the Mobility feat would grant you +4 AC against that AoO. </p><p></p><p>A: The AC bonus applies to your movement whenever you move. </p><p></p><p>So, there you go. Take it for what it's worth.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SnowDog, post: 82370, member: 2225"] [b]Sage Advice[/b] Ok, I mailed the sage. Here's his response: Q: When do you get AoO's as a result of a bull rush? A: When the bull-rushing creature moves (assuming you threaten the space creature leaves). You might also get an AoO when the bull rushed creatures moves, provided you threaten the space the creature leaves. Q: How does the Mobility feat factor into this? A: It has the standard effect. (Remember that it's movement that triggers AoOs in a bull rush. Q: How do the 5' movement rules factor into this? A: It doesn't. Making a bull rush is not a 5-foot step. Neither is being moved as a result of a bull rush. Q: Players' Handbook, Page 128, Table 8-4 Miscellaneous Actions says Standard Actions Attack of Opportunity Bull Rush (attack) No Bull Rush (charge) No This implies there is no implicit AoO from a bull rush. A: For the bull rush action, correct. Q: When we look at page 136, we see (excerpted): First, you move into the defender's space. Moving in this way provokes an AoO from each foe that threatens you, probably including the defender. A: Correct. (It's not the action, it's the movement.) Q: Interestingly, if you are adjacent to someone and initiate a bull rush, you are only moving 5', and as mentioned in the PH, no AoO's are triggered if your only movement for the round is five feet. A: No, moving into the foe's space triggers the AoO. Q: So. If the AoO comes from the movement, and not the act of the bull rush, then it seems that the Mobility feat would grant you +4 AC against that AoO. A: The AC bonus applies to your movement whenever you move. So, there you go. Take it for what it's worth. [/QUOTE]
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