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<blockquote data-quote="Silveras" data-source="post: 2342060" data-attributes="member: 6271"><p>Not to be snide, but "hoard" is treasure, "horde" is a mass of creatures. </p><p></p><p>A horde of goblins with swarmfighting are practiced and trained to fight effectively from the same space; it requires each of them to have the same feat - to have studied the specialized methods and techniques involved in close-quarters fighting. They are able to keep separate from each other enough to remain effective normal melee combatants. </p><p></p><p>Uhm.. Pixies (per the 3.5 MM) are Small Fey. They need a 5-foot square each of fighting space, just as Halflings and Gnomes (also small creatures) do (3.5 Player's Handbook, p.149). If your DM is running "a group of pixies all occupying the same space", then s/he's using house rule versions of Pixies, or some other variant. Or, they all need to have Swarmfighting, too, and then we are back to just the one example, as it no longer matters whether we are discussing Pixies with Swarmfighting or Goblins with Swarmfighting. </p><p></p><p>Fine, Diminutive, and Tiny creatures require less than one 5-foot square each of fighting space, and <strong>can</strong> share a single 5-foot square without getting in each other's way. This is also explained in the section of the Players' Handbook "Big and Little Creatures in Combat" (PH, p.149 again). </p><p></p><p>Of these, only the swarmfighting example is similar to the Mob, in that the Mob puts 3 creatures into the same 1-creature's fighting space and Swarmfighting (Complete Warrior, p.105) puts 2 or more. However, as I said, Swarmfighting involves special skills to allow them to fight effectively, and that is STILL not the same case as a Mob (picture a crowd of irate shoppers looking for that one toy EVERYONE wants at Christmas season). </p><p></p><p>I have no problem with the idea that the special training that allows Swarmfighters to keep out of each other's way also allows them to be individually targeted, while Mobs are another case altogether.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Silveras, post: 2342060, member: 6271"] Not to be snide, but "hoard" is treasure, "horde" is a mass of creatures. A horde of goblins with swarmfighting are practiced and trained to fight effectively from the same space; it requires each of them to have the same feat - to have studied the specialized methods and techniques involved in close-quarters fighting. They are able to keep separate from each other enough to remain effective normal melee combatants. Uhm.. Pixies (per the 3.5 MM) are Small Fey. They need a 5-foot square each of fighting space, just as Halflings and Gnomes (also small creatures) do (3.5 Player's Handbook, p.149). If your DM is running "a group of pixies all occupying the same space", then s/he's using house rule versions of Pixies, or some other variant. Or, they all need to have Swarmfighting, too, and then we are back to just the one example, as it no longer matters whether we are discussing Pixies with Swarmfighting or Goblins with Swarmfighting. Fine, Diminutive, and Tiny creatures require less than one 5-foot square each of fighting space, and [B]can[/B] share a single 5-foot square without getting in each other's way. This is also explained in the section of the Players' Handbook "Big and Little Creatures in Combat" (PH, p.149 again). Of these, only the swarmfighting example is similar to the Mob, in that the Mob puts 3 creatures into the same 1-creature's fighting space and Swarmfighting (Complete Warrior, p.105) puts 2 or more. However, as I said, Swarmfighting involves special skills to allow them to fight effectively, and that is STILL not the same case as a Mob (picture a crowd of irate shoppers looking for that one toy EVERYONE wants at Christmas season). I have no problem with the idea that the special training that allows Swarmfighters to keep out of each other's way also allows them to be individually targeted, while Mobs are another case altogether. [/QUOTE]
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