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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fjw70" data-source="post: 6202308" data-attributes="member: 80924">I decided to move this discussion to another thread to not derail that one.4e is a very flexible game engine (more flexible than WotC realizes or will admit).  Modding it to be a simpler game that plays the same way just without minis and grids would take some work (143th Age would probably work well for this).I go a different way with my modding of 4e.  I go for really simple, either with generic powers or no powers.  Here is a summary of my current iteration of a lite RPG using 4e's basic structure.This mod is pretty easy to do and lets me run things on the fly (like I do in OSR D&D).  However, it has some significant change from OSR D&D.  First, it eliminates the single digit PC, adds healing surges, has pretty clear and easy monster building math, has a unified skill system, etc.  Those are a lot of the things I like about 4e (though I realize not every likes these things).I still like regular 4e too but I like a simpler game sometimes too.  4e's basic structure gives me both.  If I wanted more of a medium complexity game I could mod one using 4e but that would take more work and 13th Age fits the bill pretty nicely.I would love to see what other people have done to mod simpler games for 4e.</blockquote>