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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tsyr" data-source="post: 1215134" data-attributes="member: 354">See, I disagree. I think there are several concepts that you can't really portray even with with core classes, and I don't think Prestige Classes are supposed to be a natural growth path of a character... The whole word "prestige" and all, ya know.For example.Finess FighterNon-Asian-Themed unarmed fighterMage/Fighter (which sucks with normal multiclassing)Non-Ass-Kicking PriestKnight in Shining ArmourNoble (I can't stand the DMG idea of a noble as a player class)Hedge WizardWitchAll of these are major character concepts in fantasy literature without adequate representation in the standard 11 core classes, yet are not really suited for a prestiege class.Off the top of my head, were I do pick one class done properly for each of these, I would pick, in order...Unfettered from UACan't remember the name, but there is an unarmed guy from MidnightMageblade from UADon't know off-hand if this has been done or not... I think it has, but I can't remember where.Samurai from OA, just rename it, or the Knight class from the book of the same name.Either the Cortier from OA or the Noble from Wheel of Time, depending on what type of noble the character wanted (both are very different).Hedge Wizard from the book of the same nameWitch from "The Quintessential Witch"Which isn't to say that every major fantasy archtype needs a new class.Pirate, for example. IMO, a pirate is just a rogue or a fighter that spends skillpoints on Profession: Sailor. So why, you ask, don't I think the Knight in Shining Armour is just a fighter that spent ranks in Knowledge: Heraldry? Because there are specific features of the Knight in Shining Armour archtype that don't get adequetly represented by just a fighter. Ancestral weapons are a common theme, for example. Generaly more worldly. Things like that.They aren't true prestige classes, though, because there is nothing particularly exceptional about them, as compared to any of a hundred knights you could find.On the flipside, these are what I think of when I think of prestiege classes:Knight Protector of the Great RealmOrder of the Bow InitiateHarper ScoutRed Wizardetc etc. Things that have meaning behind them.</blockquote>

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