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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ClearlyTough69" data-source="post: 7006881" data-attributes="member: 6864123">The example I was talking about was this:The guard is indeed lying, so it's a contest between the character's Insight and the guard's Deception. The character's check result is 20 (natural 15, +5 Insight); the guard's check result is 7 (natural 7, 0 Deception modifier). On the face of it, the character detects that the guard is lying; her degree of success is 13 (20-7).Assessment = d20 + degree of success OR - degree of failureIn this case = natural 4 +13 = 17.This meets the threshold of 10, so the character makes an accurate assessment of the outcome of the check: she believes the guard is lying.Confidence = d20 + degree of success/ failureIn this case = natural 12 +13 = 25.This exceeds the threshold for absolute certainty, so the DM reports that the character is absolutely certain that the guard is lying.__________________Now I'll swap the dice rolls for the initial skill contest:The character's check result is 12 (natural 7, +5 Insight); the guard's check result is 15 (natural 15, 0 Deception modifier). On the face of it, the character has failed the contest and does not detect that the guard is lying; her degree of failure is 3 (15-12).Assessment = d20 + degree of success OR - degree of failureIn this case = natural 4 -3 = 1.This does not meet the threshold of 10, so the character makes an erroneous assessment of the outcome of the check: she believes the guard is not lying.Confidence = d20 + degree of success/ failureIn this case = natural 12 +3 = 15.This exceeds the threshold for being fairly sure, so the DM reports that the character is fairly sure that the guard is being truthful.__________________Note how the difference in the character's and the guard's skill modifiers resulted in a significant difference in the degree of success/ failure of 16 (13 - -3). This answer's /u/Elfcrusher 's requirement for these modifiers to tell in this kind of mechanic.</blockquote>

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