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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7267050" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>That's the kind of circle, yeah. Early computer games & D&D influenced eachother, a bit. MMOs were directly ripping D&D as much as ever they could, the similarity between D&D and MMOs is thus inevitable. MMOs had to confront problems with D&D because they didn't have DMs to smooth them over. D&D, similarly, finally got around to fixing some of those same problems in 4e. </p><p>Those similarities were weaponized by h4ters for use in the edition war.</p><p></p><p> It's hard to over-estimate how huge westerns were in the 50s, 60s & even into the 70s. Back then, you could get anything made if you managed to label it a 'western.' Wild Wild West was an over-the-top James-Bond-esque-spy, just done in the western setting. Kung Fu was a martial-arts show, just done in a western setting (and it sure seemed like it influenced the D&D Monk). Star Trek, notoriously, was pitched as 'Wagon Train in space.' </p><p></p><p>The D&D paradigm of adventurers meeting in a drinking establishment, and banding together to help the townspeople being menaced by bad guys, wouldn't exactly be out of place in a western. It'd be a saloon and bandits or an evil rail baron, rather than an inn/tavern and orcs or an evil wizard. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> D&D's notorious 'gold rush' economy is a western reference, right there. </p><p></p><p>And, well, they're was Myrlund - remembered for a magic spoon - but he was a wizard who spent time in western-ish world. </p><p></p><p>Oh, and TSR did publish Boot Hill. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7267050, member: 996"] That's the kind of circle, yeah. Early computer games & D&D influenced eachother, a bit. MMOs were directly ripping D&D as much as ever they could, the similarity between D&D and MMOs is thus inevitable. MMOs had to confront problems with D&D because they didn't have DMs to smooth them over. D&D, similarly, finally got around to fixing some of those same problems in 4e. Those similarities were weaponized by h4ters for use in the edition war. It's hard to over-estimate how huge westerns were in the 50s, 60s & even into the 70s. Back then, you could get anything made if you managed to label it a 'western.' Wild Wild West was an over-the-top James-Bond-esque-spy, just done in the western setting. Kung Fu was a martial-arts show, just done in a western setting (and it sure seemed like it influenced the D&D Monk). Star Trek, notoriously, was pitched as 'Wagon Train in space.' The D&D paradigm of adventurers meeting in a drinking establishment, and banding together to help the townspeople being menaced by bad guys, wouldn't exactly be out of place in a western. It'd be a saloon and bandits or an evil rail baron, rather than an inn/tavern and orcs or an evil wizard. ;) D&D's notorious 'gold rush' economy is a western reference, right there. And, well, they're was Myrlund - remembered for a magic spoon - but he was a wizard who spent time in western-ish world. Oh, and TSR did publish Boot Hill. ;) [/QUOTE]
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