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<blockquote data-quote="Dausuul" data-source="post: 6483507" data-attributes="member: 58197"><p>Just a suggestion, but when you put forward an example to illustrate your questions, it works better if you limit the details to what's relevant to the questions. I ended up skimming your post looking for question marks to figure out what you were asking.</p><p></p><p><strong>If you have Advantage and apply a luck point, then you roll three d20s and take the best one. If you have Disadvantage, do you really get to pick the best of three rolls? is there Order of Operations?</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p>According to the Luck feat, you make your regular roll first. Upon seeing the roll, you may <em>then</em> choose to spend a luck point and roll another d20, then pick your preferred result.</p><p></p><p>As I read it, this means if you have advantage or disadvantage, it applies to the initial roll as normal. So, if you have disadvantage, you roll twice and pick the worst result. That is your Regular Roll. You may then choose to spend a luck point and roll a third time; you take the better of your Regular Roll and the new roll.</p><p></p><p><strong>What happens if you apply Portent to a roll made with adv/dis; does it replace both rolls?</strong></p><p></p><p>Portent says, "You can <em>replace</em> any attack roll, saving throw, or ability check [snip] with one of these rolls..." So I would say yes, the Portent replaces <em>both</em> rolls--you don't roll at all.</p><p></p><p><strong>If your Portent rolls are 1 and 8, and you're casting at a halfling, and you apply the 1 to the halfing's saving throw, does the halfling then get a re-roll from its Lucky racial trait?</strong></p><p></p><p>That's a tough one, with no obvious answer. I would be inclined to rule the halfling does get to re-roll the 1, but you could argue either way (the halfling did not actually roll a 1, after all; somebody else rolled it and gave it to her).</p><p></p><p><strong>What are some examples of special modifiers?</strong></p><p></p><p>I'm not aware of any offhand. Maybe other people can think of some, though.</p><p></p><p><strong>William rolls a d4 for Carol's Bless and a d4 for Paul's Bless, gets 2 and 3, takes the 3.</strong></p><p></p><p>This one isn't a question, but it jumped out at me as a mistake: William only gets to roll once. If his first roll is a 2, that's what he's got. The rule on combining magical effects specifically uses <em>bless</em> as an example: You get the spell's benefit only once, meaning you roll one d4 and that's it. You do not get to roll two bonus dice.</p><p></p><p><strong>Some minerals might say that none of these modifiers stack, and that only the highest die applies. Is that the 4 from Bardic Inspiration or the roll of 4 on the Bend Luck die?</strong></p><p></p><p>I'd say all of those modifiers stack, so the question is moot. The only case where the mods don't stack is if they're from the same spell.</p><p></p><p><strong>Bob the Bard, also College of Lore, suddenly appears in the scenario, using a Bardic Inspiration (and his Reaction) to apply Cutting Words to Susan's damage roll, rolling 9. Does his roll replace Betty's roll? Or does he subtract another 9 HP from the damage?</strong></p><p></p><p>Technically, Cutting Words is not a spell and therefore can stack with itself, so subtract another 9. However, it'd make sense to treat it like a spell and say you can only do it once on a given roll.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dausuul, post: 6483507, member: 58197"] Just a suggestion, but when you put forward an example to illustrate your questions, it works better if you limit the details to what's relevant to the questions. I ended up skimming your post looking for question marks to figure out what you were asking. [B]If you have Advantage and apply a luck point, then you roll three d20s and take the best one. If you have Disadvantage, do you really get to pick the best of three rolls? is there Order of Operations? [/B] According to the Luck feat, you make your regular roll first. Upon seeing the roll, you may [I]then[/I] choose to spend a luck point and roll another d20, then pick your preferred result. As I read it, this means if you have advantage or disadvantage, it applies to the initial roll as normal. So, if you have disadvantage, you roll twice and pick the worst result. That is your Regular Roll. You may then choose to spend a luck point and roll a third time; you take the better of your Regular Roll and the new roll. [B]What happens if you apply Portent to a roll made with adv/dis; does it replace both rolls?[/B] Portent says, "You can [I]replace[/I] any attack roll, saving throw, or ability check [snip] with one of these rolls..." So I would say yes, the Portent replaces [I]both[/I] rolls--you don't roll at all. [B]If your Portent rolls are 1 and 8, and you're casting at a halfling, and you apply the 1 to the halfing's saving throw, does the halfling then get a re-roll from its Lucky racial trait?[/B] That's a tough one, with no obvious answer. I would be inclined to rule the halfling does get to re-roll the 1, but you could argue either way (the halfling did not actually roll a 1, after all; somebody else rolled it and gave it to her). [B]What are some examples of special modifiers?[/B] I'm not aware of any offhand. Maybe other people can think of some, though. [B]William rolls a d4 for Carol's Bless and a d4 for Paul's Bless, gets 2 and 3, takes the 3.[/B] This one isn't a question, but it jumped out at me as a mistake: William only gets to roll once. If his first roll is a 2, that's what he's got. The rule on combining magical effects specifically uses [I]bless[/I] as an example: You get the spell's benefit only once, meaning you roll one d4 and that's it. You do not get to roll two bonus dice. [B]Some minerals might say that none of these modifiers stack, and that only the highest die applies. Is that the 4 from Bardic Inspiration or the roll of 4 on the Bend Luck die?[/B] I'd say all of those modifiers stack, so the question is moot. The only case where the mods don't stack is if they're from the same spell. [B]Bob the Bard, also College of Lore, suddenly appears in the scenario, using a Bardic Inspiration (and his Reaction) to apply Cutting Words to Susan's damage roll, rolling 9. Does his roll replace Betty's roll? Or does he subtract another 9 HP from the damage?[/B] Technically, Cutting Words is not a spell and therefore can stack with itself, so subtract another 9. However, it'd make sense to treat it like a spell and say you can only do it once on a given roll. [/QUOTE]
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