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<blockquote data-quote="infernuspetrefax" data-source="post: 4910497" data-attributes="member: 85090">okay, im not really concerned with being competitive, this isnt an mmo its just a couple of my buddies playing a game. all i really want to know is about how many &quot;bonus feats&quot; worth of goodies i have to give up to get a good BaB, and NOT be anything close to OP, it has just always bugged me that monk has the BaB of cleric, with all the ridiculous spells they get and turn/rebuke and full plate etc... i mean come on i just wanna be a guy who kills <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> up with my bare hands, simple enough.im not worried about being able to &quot;compete&quot; with other classes as this is a cooperative game for one thing.also i think im creative enough that i shouldnt have trouble making a changeling monk look borken with all the crazy sneaky crap i'll get to doalso we start at level 5 in a big city</blockquote>

[QUOTE="infernuspetrefax, post: 4910497, member: 85090"] okay, im not really concerned with being competitive, this isnt an mmo its just a couple of my buddies playing a game. all i really want to know is about how many "bonus feats" worth of goodies i have to give up to get a good BaB, and NOT be anything close to OP, it has just always bugged me that monk has the BaB of cleric, with all the ridiculous spells they get and turn/rebuke and full plate etc... i mean come on i just wanna be a guy who kills :):):):) up with my bare hands, simple enough. im not worried about being able to "compete" with other classes as this is a cooperative game for one thing. also i think im creative enough that i shouldnt have trouble making a changeling monk look borken with all the crazy sneaky crap i'll get to do also we start at level 5 in a big city [/QUOTE]

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