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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Turtlejay" data-source="post: 4910636" data-attributes="member: 70267">It sounds like you have your ideas about what to alter, but instead of discussing it with random internet heroes, you need to go over it with your DM.  We are all going to have varying ideas about what is and is not balanced, and we are not the ones you need to convince. Were I your DM, I would rather you replace those things with something of a different flavor.  So, you don't have the holy/religous flavor?  You have a rougish/assasin feel?  Then you get some abilities from the rogue.  More Skill points/level, trapfinding, and perhaps some of those pathfinder rogue abilities. Speaking of pathfinder, have you looked at what they did to the monk?  I did not examine it closely, but it looked like flurry certainly improved. Jay</blockquote>