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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LokiDR" data-source="post: 609732" data-attributes="member: 6239">1) You have a point.  9 to 5 from TaB, don't and do respectively, counting only those that improve your base spellcasting abilities. That fact has little to do with the fact that there are many PrCs that do.2) What does leveling your base class have to do with the bonus you get at first level?3) Two metamagic or item creation feats are better than all the following options:*2 metamagic feats, improved familiar, DR 20/+1, electrical resist 20*+5d6 sneak attack, impromptu sneak attack, and a good ref save*5 metamagics that apply to one item type*Spellpool and 2 metamagic feats*Create greater undead and energy drainand that is just Tome and Blood.  I don't see a lack of decent PrC for arcane casters.  There just happen to be a lot of crappier ones.4) Just because sorcerors have problems getting in doesn't mean they don't gain a lot of benifit from them.  Considering they give up very little by not going straight sorc, there should be costs.I don't see this as a problem with the arcane types, I see it as a problem with PrCs.  Most of the PrCs have marked advantage in their areas of expertise and not too much loss from the weak areas.Interesting idea on the Geomancer.  I'll have to look closer at it.Frankly, I think casters have a huge advantage in general.  If I can just evoke you into oblivion while I have half a dozen buff spells that make it hard as hell for you to hurt me, it all comes down to caster in the end.I will post notes on what abuses I have used Incantrix for a bit later.  Staking empower is the best example though.  I don't think it is beyond repair either.  I do think it is a bit too good, but I think that a lot <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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