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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7774920" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>The intention isn't to quibble over any exact wording.&nbsp; For my part, I'd see the reframed statement as more agnostic than atheistic.&nbsp; Agnosticism is a really interesting stance because it partially evades the issue I was discussing, by openly asserting, &quot;I don't know.&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; Personally, I'd hope that for all of us that there are certain propositions we are humble enough to be agnostic about and admit we don't know all the answers.&nbsp; However, there are statements of even agnosticism which make positive assertions about the nature of the universe - for example, you could claim that not only do you not know but that no one could know.&nbsp; But again, the point isn't to quibble over the exact beliefs each person has, but merely to assert that people have beliefs for what to them seems to be very good and valid reasons, and that they are usually inclined to want other people (especially people they care about) to share those beliefs.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7774920, member: 4937"] The intention isn't to quibble over any exact wording. For my part, I'd see the reframed statement as more agnostic than atheistic. Agnosticism is a really interesting stance because it partially evades the issue I was discussing, by openly asserting, "I don't know." Personally, I'd hope that for all of us that there are certain propositions we are humble enough to be agnostic about and admit we don't know all the answers. However, there are statements of even agnosticism which make positive assertions about the nature of the universe - for example, you could claim that not only do you not know but that no one could know. But again, the point isn't to quibble over the exact beliefs each person has, but merely to assert that people have beliefs for what to them seems to be very good and valid reasons, and that they are usually inclined to want other people (especially people they care about) to share those beliefs. [/QUOTE]

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