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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gorrstagg" data-source="post: 4604368" data-attributes="member: 15863">Just a note guys, I went ahead and did the math for every single magic item found based upon the DMG settings, based on a 5 man party, 6, 7 & 8 man parties as well.Just to see what the effect of the magic item was on the entire process, and the addition of the bonus magic items to compensate for the larger parties but no addtional wealth.And well, let's put it this way, that 8 man party. By the time the player is 30th level, in an 8 man party, he's missing out on 1/2 million gold from levels 1-30. (Writers note, I'm not on my laptop with the spreadsheet for this, and my math may be off but it was similar to that number. And when I get a chance to sit at my laptop I'll update this with the accurate numbers.)The addition of the magic items has little to no effect for skewing the balance to compensate for the actual monies.Cause you need to remember, the wealth provided is supposed to provide essentially enough wealth to buy a magic item as well as all but one of the party members receives an actual good magic item. The wealth is there so they can actually buy other stuff, from potions, to other enchantments, and other magic items.Here's the example for my group where the players went from 4th level to 6th level of adventures.Level 4 - 1,680gp /5=336 /6=280Level 5 - 2,000gp /5=400 /6=333.33Level 6 - 3,600gp /5=720 /6=600Difference for a 6 member group is they are missing out on 1,456gp.What could that buy though? Well if you consider that all of them share the wealth evenly, well they are missing out on a share of 1,456gp. What can that buy?A level 5 magic item and a level 1 magic item, and a potion of healing.A level 4 magic item and a level 2 magic item, and a potion of healing.Hmm, or 4 level 1 magic items. And that's just from them starting at 4th level and playing all the way up through sixth level and almost 7th. Where if I didn't realize all of this, and correct it for them, they would be out.. another 1,040gp. (The equivalent of a 5th level item.)And if they had gone from 1st level up to say 7th level as a 6 member party.. they would be missing.. 3,119gp. Which is the equivalent of a 7th level magic item and a 1st level and a potion.Level 1 - 720gp /5=144 /6=120Level 2 - 1,040gp /5=208 /6=173.33Level 3 - 1,355gp /5=271 /6=225.83Level 4 - 1,680gp /5=336 /6=280Level 5 - 2,000gp /5=400 /6=333.33Level 6 - 3,600gp /5=720 /6=600Level 7 - 5,200gp /5=1,040 / 6=866.66Total 15,595 /5=3,119gp /6=2599.16So a properly balanced set up would be each member receives by 7th level 3,119gp. As it is going with the current set up, they would reach 2,599.16 a loss of 519.84, each. It may not seem like much, but it's a burden being shared across a group. And the difference is if they saved from 1st to 7th they would be .84gp short of being able to outright buy a 7th level magic item.But the point is they are missing out on wealth that can help fill in the magic gaps they experience for items over levels. That THEY want to fill, not just some wish list. I quote again.Their level or lower. Remember when I'm saying buying magic items, that's also interchangeable with Enchant magic Ritual.Remember this key part, as they go up in levels, with so many cool magic items to give out/acquire, they aren't going to be getting everything they want from just the found magic items. Those may fill in spots, but they would be missing out on other things they see as important but may not be VERY important. That and as they get higher level, they are replacing some older items, and also acquiring cool items they've been interested in but ended up not getting due to the fact that every level they go up, so does the item levels in power.That and even though in my case I'm tailoring the magic items for them sans a wishlist. (I abhor the idea outside of questing.) I'm still making sure that each player is getting a cool magic item (except one per level) and tailoring it for them, so that it's interesting, and pretty cool, but may not always be exactly what they want. (Further enhancing the need for them to buy stuff of their level or lower. To fill in perceived gaps.)</blockquote>

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