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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ggroy" data-source="post: 5009810" data-attributes="member: 83805">A better question is, how many of these hundreds of thousands of players are actually still playing 4E today?  Or for that matter, how many of these players actually bought any 4E books to begin with.Anecdotally from a small sample size, locally I get the impression that 4E is no longer considered "new".  Many of the M:tG (and other card games), nWoD, Warhammer, and 3.5E folks who wanted to try the "new game" back in the summer of 2008, are no longer playing 4E today.  I remember at several local FLGS and organized gaming groups in town, had quite a number of groups playing 4E back in the summer of 2008.  Today the FLGS owners and organized gaming groups I know of, mentioned there's one or zero groups still playing 4E games now at their particular meetups.  (At one of the FLGS, there were as many as 5 or 6 different 4E game groups back in the summer of 2008.  This particular FLGS, had a lot of space for gaming tables).Pathfinder hasn't really caught on locally much yet.  At the same several FLGS and organized gaming groups, there's very few to no new Pathfinder games other than 3.5E games that decided to convert to Pathfinder (for whatever reasons).For games held in private homes and organized groups I'm not directly acquainted with, I don't have any good data at all.</blockquote>