Mongoose's "State of the Mongoose"

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Matt Sprange of Mongoose Publishing has posted the annual "State of the Mongoose" summary. Amongst other things, he calls D&D 5th Edition for 2013, and discusses Mongoose's role-playing games, miniatures, new website, A Call to Arms (Star Fleet and Noble Armada), Victory at Sea, Judge Dredd, Traveller, Legend, Lone Wolf, and plans thorugh 2012.
 

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Thanks for the link!

He may very well be right. I had guessed it was going to be announced at this year's GenCon myself.

-Havard
 

Its too soon. But there have been so many hints...latest being Monte Cook moving back to Seattle, though he had been already working for WotC again for a while.
 

I always appreciate Mongoose's efforts to communicate with their fans. Although I haven't bought from them a long time, I certainly respect that aspect of their business.

As regards 5e: I'm just going to wait and see. My gut feeling is still that it's too soon for it, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening, and the signs point to... Well, we'll see if 2012 brings an announcement. For now, I'm having plenty of fun with my 3.5e campaign and the occasional 4e I get to play.
 

Consider, if you will, that the 40th anniversary of D&D is coming up (2014, right?). So if there was a time for an edition change, that would be it.
 

Its too soon. But there have been so many hints...latest being Monte Cook moving back to Seattle, though he had been already working for WotC again for a while.

I think it's pretty obvious 5E is under development. That doesn't mean we know when it will be released, of course, or even announced. WotC won't want to cannibalize 4E sales if they can avoid it, and they also won't want to alienate players by dumping the line too soon. From what I'm seeing, 5E is aimed at bringing some Pathfinder and maybe OSR players back into the fold while keeping as many 4E players as possible; that means good community relations are vital.

I think 2013-14 for announcement and 2014-15 for release. Conceivably it could be announced sometime next summer, but 2013 seems more likely to me.
 

2014 certainly seems to make more sense...as for retaining or gaining audience instead of splintering it more...that is going to be quite the trick.
 

2014 certainly seems to make more sense...as for retaining or gaining audience instead of splintering it more...that is going to be quite the trick.

It is indeed, and they've got their work cut out for them. Still, I don't think it's impossible. My observation of the edition wars has been that, as far as the actual game mechanics are concerned:

  • 4E players don't like 3E/Pathfinder because it does not achieve certain goals (reducing cleric-dependence, balancing the classes, etc.).
  • 3E/Pathfinder players don't like 4E because of the means the 4E designers chose (healing surges, AEDU universal power structure, etc.) to achieve those goals.
That's a simplification on both sides, of course, but I think it gets at the meat of the disagreement.

Observe that these are not diametrically opposed positions. 4E players want less cleric-dependence, balanced classes, and so forth. They are not necessarily attached to the specific means used to bring these things about. 3E players don't like healing surges and want distinctive class mechanics, but few object to the idea of less cleric-reliance and better class balance. So in theory, a 5E that chose different means to achieve those goals could be accepted by both sides.

(Of course, in theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.)

There are also more philosophical concerns, having to do with style and emphasis rather than mechanics as such. This is the sort of thing Monte Cook is going on about in the recent Legends and Lore. My sense is that this matters more to the 3E/Pathfinder players and the old-schoolers than it does to 4E players; the typical 4E position has been "It's the mechanics that count." So I expect 5E to be more in the 3E mold, or even AD&D/BECMI, as far as style. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part.

Whether all that can overcome the ill-will engendered by the 3E/4E split, and the simple inertia of so many people having jumped ship for Pathfinder, remains to be seen. I dare say the way 5E is rolled out will matter almost as much as the game itself.
 
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I dare say the way 5E is rolled out will matter almost as much as the game itself.

Yeah. I think they misstepped in another way with 4E, too. They had a meeting at GenCon for the media which said "We're announcing it tomorrow." It was too short notice for anyone but the big media with massive infrastructure to do anything constructive with in preparation - not only did we have about 12 hours to prepare, we were also at GenCon. Try doing all that on your iPhone (in fact - was that even before iPhones? I dont think I had one that year).

Ideally they need to give media time to prepare for it so they can handle their end of things. Otherwise it just ends up being a big chaotic mess.
 

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