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<blockquote data-quote="Technik4" data-source="post: 3431536" data-attributes="member: 7211">Because an opponent is going to notice an attack that does 1d8+4 vs 1d8... Right. I mean its all relative but especially at lower levels monks (even defensive ones) are decent harriers. Unless the dm gives the NPCs your dossier, all they know is you, as a monk, have a potential for high damage, weird effects, and the movement to get in and out.I mean, what if you roll a d8 and get an 8, does that then qualify you as a threat for an opponent? Would you really be that much more threatening if it was an 8+4=12? The whole reason I hate these comparisons is they don't take into account party buffs. After the cleric blesses the party, the druid casts magic fang on you, the wizard gives you mage armor, and the bard starts singing the slight edge a strength-based monk has seems trivialized (to me). Especially since it is at the cost of Intelligence and therefore skill points. In essence - why take a class and strip it down to its essentials and try and act like a fighter (purposely lower your decent skill point acquisition, focus on combat stats) when you don't have to.QFT.And at 20th level, when the strength monk is rolling d20 + 8 damage vs the dex monk rolling d20 + 2, are you really missing out?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Technik4, post: 3431536, member: 7211"] Because an opponent is going to notice an attack that does 1d8+4 vs 1d8... Right. I mean its all relative but especially at lower levels monks (even defensive ones) are decent harriers. Unless the dm gives the NPCs your dossier, all they know is you, as a monk, have a potential for high damage, weird effects, and the movement to get in and out. I mean, what if you roll a d8 and get an 8, does that then qualify you as a threat for an opponent? Would you really be that much more threatening if it was an 8+4=12? The whole reason I hate these comparisons is they don't take into account party buffs. After the cleric blesses the party, the druid casts magic fang on you, the wizard gives you mage armor, and the bard starts singing the slight edge a strength-based monk has seems trivialized (to me). Especially since it is at the cost of Intelligence and therefore skill points. In essence - why take a class and strip it down to its essentials and try and act like a fighter (purposely lower your decent skill point acquisition, focus on combat stats) when you don't have to. QFT. And at 20th level, when the strength monk is rolling d20 + 8 damage vs the dex monk rolling d20 + 2, are you really missing out? [/QUOTE]

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