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<blockquote data-quote="the Lorax" data-source="post: 3436148" data-attributes="member: 27662">Thank you. You also get Trapfinding, access to non-monk skills, and an improved weapon selection, including a Reach Weapon.All more or less true.the actual numbers would be on average across an infinate number of levels-2/3 BAB-1/2 Fort and Will+1.5 Ref-1 HP, (unless your game gives Max HP at level 1)Well, with the build I was suggesting (which is absolutely not the only way to make a monk, just one idea) Access to the improved weaponry of a rogue is very useful.&nbsp; Long Sword, Short Bow and Long Spear are all good (and common) weapon selections.16 Skill Points is equivilent something close to 3 feats (wheather you count the 5 Skill Point Feat, or the horde of +2/+2 Feats).&nbsp; That's nothing to sneeze at.&nbsp; Both of which I consider pretty minor.&nbsp; The Monk I'm suggesting didn't stat dump in either Wis or Con, so that every other level -1 should be a big issue.As for your other Suggestion - Starting as Fighter 1, now that is also a thought.You truely suffer in the Skill Point area, but get an extra Fighter Feat along with a WIDE range of weaponry.&nbsp; But really if you want to do that, starting as a Ranger is a much better deal.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="the Lorax, post: 3436148, member: 27662"] Thank you. You also get Trapfinding, access to non-monk skills, and an improved weapon selection, including a Reach Weapon. All more or less true. the actual numbers would be on average across an infinate number of levels -2/3 BAB -1/2 Fort and Will +1.5 Ref -1 HP, (unless your game gives Max HP at level 1) Well, with the build I was suggesting (which is absolutely not the only way to make a monk, just one idea) Access to the improved weaponry of a rogue is very useful. Long Sword, Short Bow and Long Spear are all good (and common) weapon selections. 16 Skill Points is equivilent something close to 3 feats (wheather you count the 5 Skill Point Feat, or the horde of +2/+2 Feats). That's nothing to sneeze at. Both of which I consider pretty minor. The Monk I'm suggesting didn't stat dump in either Wis or Con, so that every other level -1 should be a big issue. As for your other Suggestion - Starting as Fighter 1, now that is also a thought. You truely suffer in the Skill Point area, but get an extra Fighter Feat along with a WIDE range of weaponry. But really if you want to do that, starting as a Ranger is a much better deal. [/QUOTE]

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