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Message: <blockquote data-quote="the Lorax" data-source="post: 3438331" data-attributes="member: 27662">The SRD is VERY clear on this, the Relevant text from the Monk Class (some areas italicized for emphasis) :Unarmed Strike At 1st level, a monk gains Improved Unarmed Strike as a bonus feat. A monk’s attacks may be with either fist interchangeably or even from elbows, knees, and feet. This means that a monk may even make unarmed strikes with her hands full. There is no such thing as an off-hand attack for a monk striking unarmed. A monk may thus apply her full Strength bonus on damage rolls for all her unarmed strikes. Usually a monk’s unarmed strikes deal lethal damage, but she can choose to deal nonlethal damage instead with no penalty on her attack roll. She has the same choice to deal lethal or nonlethal damage while grappling. A monk’s unarmed strike is treated both as a manufactured weapon and a natural weapon for the purpose of spells and effects that enhance or improve either manufactured weapons or natural weapons. I really cant see any other interpretation of the text, but that is indeed an argument for a different thread, and an argument for the OP and OP's DM.  Anyway, for OP if there is such a discussion between you and your DM, there is the info.Again, the Long Spear is for AoO during the opponents turn and potential DR penetration (assuming a silver/cold iron/holy ect spear), the unarmed attacks are used during the monk's turn, no TWF strictly needed, but fine, if you are going to require the monk to take it at your table that is entirely your call.Actually those arn't contradictory.  A Monk excels at killing softer targets (lots of low BAB attacks) and running down fleeing targets.  If the Monk tumbles and jumps past the Mooks to get to BBEG sorcerer, you better believe that Mooks are going to come back to try to get the monk off of the BBEG sorcerer.Absolutely true.  If your DM never calls for skill checks beyond the occasional Spot/Listen/Search check, then skill points are not very useful.  Me, I like providing varied terrain and situations that make haveing skill points useful.  When I'm the DM, skills like Knowledge-Religion (for example) are useful beyond the +2 synergy they give out for having 5 ranks.If you dont care for Rogue and sneak attack, Ranger is a VERY strong contender.+1/3 BAB-1/2 Will save+8 Skill pointsFavored EnemyTrackWild Empathy (this becomes a bit more useful at 18th when this character would get Tounge of Sun and Moon)one level slower to get monk stufflarge additional weapon selection*****All of that being said, I had no intention of getting into a message board argument, I am interested in what the OP decided to do.</blockquote>

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