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<blockquote data-quote="pawsplay" data-source="post: 4596219" data-attributes="member: 15538">I don't see any reason the Rokugan type couldn't be done as ki. The whole idea of four elements with void in the middle is still a mystical concept. In a traditional D&amp;D world, command over the elements might be categorized as a kind of a divine or acane magic but there is no reason it has to be. The PHBII gives monks the chance to throw fireballs with their ki. You could certainly say, &quot;Well, gosh, water elemental control, that makes me think of Fey, so Shugenja should be the Fey power source.&quot; But I think there is a confusion there about power sources and power mediums. Monks don't have the &quot;punching and kicking&quot; power source, Fighters don't have the &quot;I like swords&quot; power source, Wizards don't have the &quot;fireball&quot; power source. Rokugan style shugenja could not be martial because they are obviously supernatural, but they could be anything else. Ki is, ultimately, a supernatural power, and manipulation of the four elements sound as valid as anything else you might do with ki. In 3.5, ki already turns people invisible or astral, helps them teleport, heals wounds, throws fireballs, and leads to immortality. To &quot;4e&quot; the shugenja, I would keep the elemental focus, divorce some of their powers from 3e concepts and focus on powers that make sense thematically, and offer the shortsword and naginata as good weapon choices.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pawsplay, post: 4596219, member: 15538"] I don't see any reason the Rokugan type couldn't be done as ki. The whole idea of four elements with void in the middle is still a mystical concept. In a traditional D&D world, command over the elements might be categorized as a kind of a divine or acane magic but there is no reason it has to be. The PHBII gives monks the chance to throw fireballs with their ki. You could certainly say, "Well, gosh, water elemental control, that makes me think of Fey, so Shugenja should be the Fey power source." But I think there is a confusion there about power sources and power mediums. Monks don't have the "punching and kicking" power source, Fighters don't have the "I like swords" power source, Wizards don't have the "fireball" power source. Rokugan style shugenja could not be martial because they are obviously supernatural, but they could be anything else. Ki is, ultimately, a supernatural power, and manipulation of the four elements sound as valid as anything else you might do with ki. In 3.5, ki already turns people invisible or astral, helps them teleport, heals wounds, throws fireballs, and leads to immortality. To "4e" the shugenja, I would keep the elemental focus, divorce some of their powers from 3e concepts and focus on powers that make sense thematically, and offer the shortsword and naginata as good weapon choices. [/QUOTE]

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